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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby algroth » 04 Dec 2018, 15:15

The Modernist wrote:I saw a horrible thing about them once that still makes me shudder. They've got this bloke, I couldn't quite work out his role, he was like their musical advisor or something, but they made a big point of saying he was given an equal share to the rest of the band. He was there, with his big, fat ruddy stupid upper class face, like fucking Prince William or someone, dressed in a rugby shirt and he had all the band in a huddle, going "okay guys, you know what we've got to, we need to feed off the positive energy.." and they were going "yeah, yeah" and hugging each other. Sickening. I mean it's meant to be an artform right, not a fucking strategy meeting. It was like a capsule representation of everything that's shit about the post-millennial world we live in. I got the impression they don't even like music, they'd rather be working in some hi-tech start up business in Shoreditch droning on about "optimisation".


I suppose it depends on the context to that scene. In my band I'm usually the one "appointed" to do the pep talk before a show, but that's just to hype ourselves up and loosen a little before the concert, and I think that's fine when it comes to performances and so on. If it's in the studio I have no clue why they'd do it other than for it being filmed or whatever.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby The Modernist » 04 Dec 2018, 16:04

Hightea wrote:
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I saw a horrible thing about them once that still makes me shudder. They've got this bloke, I couldn't quite work out his role, he was like their musical advisor or something, but they made a big point of saying he was given an equal share to the rest of the band. He was there, with his big, fat ruddy stupid upper class face, like fucking Prince William or someone, dressed in a rugby shirt and he had all the band in a huddle, going "okay guys, you know what we've got to, we need to feed off the positive energy.." and they were going "yeah, yeah" and hugging each other. Sickening. I mean it's meant to be an artform right, not a fucking strategy meeting. It was like a capsule representation of everything that's shit about the post-millennial world we live in. I got the impression they don't even like music, they'd rather be working in some hi-tech start up business in Shoreditch droning on about "optimisation".
Cunts.


Who the F*ck gives a sh*t about Phil Harvey he was their manager and like many bands was a friend of one of the members. You got the impression they don't even like music? Here we go again if a band that isn't poor, uneducated and had a ton of hardships to write about then the band sucks.


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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby The Modernist » 04 Dec 2018, 16:06

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The Modernist wrote:I saw a horrible thing about them once that still makes me shudder. They've got this bloke, I couldn't quite work out his role, he was like their musical advisor or something, but they made a big point of saying he was given an equal share to the rest of the band. He was there, with his big, fat ruddy stupid upper class face, like fucking Prince William or someone, dressed in a rugby shirt and he had all the band in a huddle, going "okay guys, you know what we've got to, we need to feed off the positive energy.." and they were going "yeah, yeah" and hugging each other. Sickening. I mean it's meant to be an artform right, not a fucking strategy meeting. It was like a capsule representation of everything that's shit about the post-millennial world we live in. I got the impression they don't even like music, they'd rather be working in some hi-tech start up business in Shoreditch droning on about "optimisation".


I suppose it depends on the context to that scene. In my band I'm usually the one "appointed" to do the pep talk before a show, but that's just to hype ourselves up and loosen a little before the concert, and I think that's fine when it comes to performances and so on. If it's in the studio I have no clue why they'd do it other than for it being filmed or whatever.


Why do you need a "pep talk"? You're not playing baseball.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Toby » 04 Dec 2018, 16:12

Have you ever performed onstage? If not, then I think you underestimate the power of nerves and stage fright.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Rayge » 04 Dec 2018, 16:18

The Modernist wrote: :lol:
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He's quite the frother, ain't he? I've had him on ignore for ages but occasionally people quote him, as here, and he's always umbraged about something or other, as well as often interchangeably using first person plural and singular, which is probably something deeply intellectual beyond we unhinged socialist plebs.

As for the bands, after reading and enjoying this thread, I'm thrilled about my perspicacity in having never knowingly listened to anything either of them recorded, although I have heard snippets of Coldplay in live - or at least living dead – performance.

It's a known fact that public schoolboys can't do proper music, only prog, and I've read interviews with old wonk-eye and Mr goop, and they both came over at best as well-meaning and intelligent, but defnitely utterly soulless and without a spark, and at worst people I'd cross the road to avoid (and tbf, the obverse probably would apply if they ever read anything I wrote).
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby The Modernist » 04 Dec 2018, 16:21

Toby wrote:Have you ever performed onstage? If not, then I think you underestimate the power of nerves and stage fright.


What you need is Phil Harvey giving a powerpoint presentation on expanding markets! Rock n' Roll!

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Hightea » 04 Dec 2018, 16:24

algroth wrote:
The Modernist wrote:I saw a horrible thing about them once that still makes me shudder. They've got this bloke, I couldn't quite work out his role, he was like their musical advisor or something, but they made a big point of saying he was given an equal share to the rest of the band. He was there, with his big, fat ruddy stupid upper class face, like fucking Prince William or someone, dressed in a rugby shirt and he had all the band in a huddle, going "okay guys, you know what we've got to, we need to feed off the positive energy.." and they were going "yeah, yeah" and hugging each other. Sickening. I mean it's meant to be an artform right, not a fucking strategy meeting. It was like a capsule representation of everything that's shit about the post-millennial world we live in. I got the impression they don't even like music, they'd rather be working in some hi-tech start up business in Shoreditch droning on about "optimisation".


I suppose it depends on the context to that scene. In my band I'm usually the one "appointed" to do the pep talk before a show, but that's just to hype ourselves up and loosen a little before the concert, and I think that's fine when it comes to performances and so on. If it's in the studio I have no clue why they'd do it other than for it being filmed or whatever.


I see nothing wrong with a pep/rah rah before a recording session who knows why the band does it? I agree its sort of silly and uncalled for but does it really matter if the end result is good music? I could careless what a band does for motivation(even if its recorded for some promotion event) for all you know your favorite band might be eating a pile of camel dung before they record.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Hightea » 04 Dec 2018, 16:52

Rayge wrote:
The Modernist wrote: :lol:
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It's a known fact that public schoolboys can't do proper music, only prog,

yeah we know your pathetic mantra. Yes because before we decide if a band is good we need to check their credentials.
Funny because we like some of your reviews in the 70's cup but every time you make this silly statement (which you do far to often) you lose us.
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Hightea » 04 Dec 2018, 16:54

The Modernist wrote:
Hightea wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
I saw a horrible thing about them once that still makes me shudder. They've got this bloke, I couldn't quite work out his role, he was like their musical advisor or something, but they made a big point of saying he was given an equal share to the rest of the band. He was there, with his big, fat ruddy stupid upper class face, like fucking Prince William or someone, dressed in a rugby shirt and he had all the band in a huddle, going "okay guys, you know what we've got to, we need to feed off the positive energy.." and they were going "yeah, yeah" and hugging each other. Sickening. I mean it's meant to be an artform right, not a fucking strategy meeting. It was like a capsule representation of everything that's shit about the post-millennial world we live in. I got the impression they don't even like music, they'd rather be working in some hi-tech start up business in Shoreditch droning on about "optimisation".
Cunts.


Who the F*ck gives a sh*t about Phil Harvey he was their manager and like many bands was a friend of one of the members. You got the impression they don't even like music? Here we go again if a band that isn't poor, uneducated and had a ton of hardships to write about then the band sucks.


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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby The Modernist » 04 Dec 2018, 16:55

I'm really confused what the 'we' is about.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby algroth » 04 Dec 2018, 16:56

Toby wrote:Have you ever performed onstage? If not, then I think you underestimate the power of nerves and stage fright.


This, precisely.

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Deebank » 04 Dec 2018, 17:28

algroth wrote:
Toby wrote:Have you ever performed onstage? If not, then I think you underestimate the power of nerves and stage fright.


This, precisely.


I have performed on stage many times and I can’t see how having some over enthusiastic twerp telling me how great I am would have helped gee me up.

But to be fair this is all a bit of a diversion. Coldplay are dreadful shite regardless.
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby the masked man » 04 Dec 2018, 18:00

I saw Coldplay before they were famous at the bottom of a four-band bill. They were truly dreadful, playing 30 long minutes of colourless piano-based dirges. At the end of a dreary set, I felt certain I'd never hear of them again. Sadly, I was wrong.

By the way, I'm not sure why class has suddenly become an issue in this debate, given that Radiohead are just as much a public school band. They formed at the severely posh Abingdon School!

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby algroth » 04 Dec 2018, 18:06

Deebank wrote:
algroth wrote:
Toby wrote:Have you ever performed onstage? If not, then I think you underestimate the power of nerves and stage fright.


This, precisely.


I have performed on stage many times and I can’t see how having some over enthusiastic twerp telling me how great I am would have helped gee me up.


It works for other people, so what's the problem there?

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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby The Modernist » 04 Dec 2018, 18:29

None..Deebank is infecting us with his negativity.
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Deebank » 04 Dec 2018, 18:33

The Modernist wrote:None..Deebank is infecting us with his negativity.
Look at yourself in the mirror Deebank and tell yourself you're great!



;)



I am great!


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Nothing :(
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Deebank » 04 Dec 2018, 18:42

the masked man wrote:I saw Coldplay before they were famous at the bottom of a four-band bill. They were truly dreadful, playing 30 long minutes of colourless piano-based dirges. At the end of a dreary set, I felt certain I'd never hear of them again. Sadly, I was wrong.

By the way, I'm not sure why class has suddenly become an issue in this debate, given that Radiohead are just as much a public school band. They formed at the severely posh Abingdon School!


A fair point.
I've just checked and CM went to the Cathedral School in Exeter - I don't know if it's private but it's certainly not as posh as Abingdon.

I also found out that his dad started Martin's caravan and camper dealership on the M5 roundabout! That's quite a big deal in these parts.





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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby Rayge » 04 Dec 2018, 19:03

the masked man wrote:By the way, I'm not sure why class has suddenly become an issue in this debate, given that Radiohead are just as much a public school band. They formed at the severely posh Abingdon School!


That's why I brought up the subject as a reason why I never have listened to either band.

I'd be interested mildly diverted to hear if anyone can come up with a name of any public schoolboy who in any way added to the sum of human Raygean happiness. In fact, rather than derail this thread, I'll start one.
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Re: why is Coldplay not the new Radiohead?

Postby bobzilla77 » 04 Dec 2018, 20:17

One of the bands I toured with did routine pep talks before their gigs. Everybody join hands in the middle and throw them up and shout "rock and roll!"

We really wanted to make fun of them to their faces, but decided that was not the right thing to do.
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Postby harvey k-tel » 04 Dec 2018, 20:40

bobzilla77 wrote:One of the bands I toured with did routine pep talks before their gigs. Everybody join hands in the middle and throw them up and shout "rock and roll!"

We really wanted to make fun of them to their faces, but decided that was not the right thing to do.


:lol:

That's just bizarre.

I mean, my hockey team huddles together at the beginning of each game and shouts "Rice 'n' Beans!", but most sports teams do some variant of that. I couldn't imagine any of my bandmates suggesting something similar before going onstage.
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