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Re: Hey Jude

Postby GoogaMooga » 12 Oct 2018, 19:08

It's alright, for what it is. A singalong anthem. Overexposure, I can't really hold that against them, because it is not their fault. I too like the Little Richard freak-out, saves the singalong chorus from dragging on...

All told, not as good as "Let it be", but way better than "All You Need is Love".
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Matt Wilson » 12 Oct 2018, 19:11

It's their biggest hit on the charts.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby GoogaMooga » 12 Oct 2018, 19:13

Matt Wilson wrote:It's their biggest hit on the charts.


Billboard? It's certainly a crowd pleaser at concerts.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Positive Passion » 12 Oct 2018, 19:14

It really is great. A cultural landmark.

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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Earl E. Eel » 12 Oct 2018, 19:15

GoogaMooga wrote:It's alright, for what it is. A singalong anthem.


Matt Wilson wrote:It's their biggest hit on the charts.


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Re: Hey Jude

Postby The Modernist » 12 Oct 2018, 19:28

Whenever it's mentioned on BCB, it's usually, as you say, as this tired old chestnut, but I'm totally with you. I think it's a beautiful melody, heartfelt but not schmaltzy..okay the coda goes on a bit and I could probably do with a minute or so less of it, but overall I still like it a lot. And I find the clip of them playing it on 'Frost' moving in a way I find hard to express. I've shed a tear or two watching it over the years.

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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Earl E. Eel » 12 Oct 2018, 19:38

Yeah, it's a great performance of a beautiful song. In terms of sweet, straightforward melody, I'm not sure McCartney did better.

It's moving to see him and Lennon looking at each other during those harmony bits that PP points out ('remember', around 3:45 in). They're still pals.

It certainly seems like a live vocal, but I'm not sure about the rest. Although they were all plugged in if their rendition of The Frost Show theme is anything to go by! Funny to see the audience get up and get close enough to actually touch a Beatle during the coda!

Did Lennon do anything as great in 68 or 69?
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 12 Oct 2018, 19:48

He played this last weekend inevitably. It’s stirring to me for the crowd participation, and the sense of ‘oneness’ and ‘common bond’ that it facilitates - when we were surrounded by thousands all singing it was truly great. As a stand alone song it wouldn’t bother me to never hear it again. Not that I dislike it - it just doesn’t tickle my fancy.

More moving to me was when croaky voiced he stood alone on a platform with his guitar and sang ‘Blackbird’ - I was sniffing like Christie Brinkley!
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby LeBaron » 12 Oct 2018, 20:02

Nick?? Dougie?? wrote:He played this last weekend inevitably. It’s stirring to me for the crowd participation, and the sense of ‘oneness’ and ‘common bond’ that it facilitates - when we were surrounded by thousands all singing it was truly great.


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Re: Hey Jude

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Oct 2018, 20:22

It's a single that's over 7 minutes long. In 1968. I know 'album rock' was becoming a thing already, but single edits were still very common. They chose not to do one. Yes, part of that was arrogance - we do what we want - but it's still a nervy move. Plus, unlike a lot of songs that do the long fade, it actually earns every second, for the reasons stated above.

I get the overplayed part, and I even get that if it's not your particular cup of joe it can seem endless. But on the whole it's the kind of thing that was done wrong by many, many others pretty soon after, only done right.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Oct 2018, 20:33

toomanyhatz wrote:It's a single that's over 7 minutes long. In 1968. I know 'album rock' was becoming a thing already, but single edits were still very common. They chose not to do one. Yes, part of that was arrogance - we do what we want - but it's still a nervy move. Plus, unlike a lot of songs that do the long fade, it actually earns every second, for the reasons stated above.


"MacArthur Park" was over seven minutes long, released months before "Hey Jude" and was certainly a much more innovative tune and bold single release in every single way.

Interesting how the mind plays tricks...especially when The Beatles are involved.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby LeBaron » 12 Oct 2018, 20:41

Diamond Dog wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:It's a single that's over 7 minutes long. In 1968. I know 'album rock' was becoming a thing already, but single edits were still very common. They chose not to do one. Yes, part of that was arrogance - we do what we want - but it's still a nervy move. Plus, unlike a lot of songs that do the long fade, it actually earns every second, for the reasons stated above.


"MacArthur Park" was over seven minutes long, released months before "Hey Jude" and was certainly a much more innovative tune and bold single release in every single way.


Who knew something could be so innovative and bold and still manage to be surpassingly dreadful!?
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby GoogaMooga » 12 Oct 2018, 20:51

"Let it Be" is better.

"Hey Jules" reminds me of "Fool on the Hill" (same key?), a grassy knoll where Paul was keen to graze.
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Re: Hey Jude

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LeBaron wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:It's a single that's over 7 minutes long. In 1968. I know 'album rock' was becoming a thing already, but single edits were still very common. They chose not to do one. Yes, part of that was arrogance - we do what we want - but it's still a nervy move. Plus, unlike a lot of songs that do the long fade, it actually earns every second, for the reasons stated above.


"MacArthur Park" was over seven minutes long, released months before "Hey Jude" and was certainly a much more innovative tune and bold single release in every single way.


Who knew something could be so innovative and bold and still manage to be surpassingly dreadful!?


Yes but enough about your latest address to the Bar, Baron..... :D
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Oct 2018, 21:07

"McArthur Park"'s problems are not related to length.

I much prefer "Hey Jude" as a song, though you are correct that it's nervier still.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Ranking Ted » 12 Oct 2018, 22:00

Hey Jude is one of the many deathless Beatles songs that can’t be diminished no matter how often you hear it. It’s got all those moments that PP cites and it’s got this aura about it that can still produce shivers. It goes without saying it utterly hoses on Let It Be.

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Re: Hey Jude

Postby kath » 12 Oct 2018, 22:10

i was born in '63. i can't remember not hearing the beatles, as all three of my older sibs loved em (the only musical place where they all met). i was beatle-steeped before i had a single conscious thought.

ya know, as a kid, you just get into catchiness and bounciness and all that. yer too young to think about romantic relationships or one's "life experiences" or social commentary or any of that crap. you start to get those layers as you get older, more hormonal, etc.

hey jude was different for me. aside from all the great musical qualities already discussed, i took it personally (as it was originally meant personally). no, i didn't get all the lyrics or the metaphors used, whatever you wanna call em. but i did get the basic message.

"take a sad songggg and make it betterrrrrrr"

okay, so it may sound simple. cliche. maybe even meaningless when compared to the quality of the music.

but honestly, it has never left me.

so there's that.

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Re: Hey Jude

Postby pcqgod » 12 Oct 2018, 22:27

Single version contains an unedited expletive, according to Mark Lewisohn's book on the Beatles' recording sessions.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby sloopjohnc » 12 Oct 2018, 22:35

I swear I saw Chris Chopping in the studio audience.
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Re: Hey Jude

Postby Earl E. Eel » 12 Oct 2018, 22:54

pcqgod wrote:Single version contains an unedited expletive, according to Mark Lewisohn's book on the Beatles' recording sessions.


Lennon's 'fucking hell' at about 2:58...
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