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"Jackie"

Postby Quaco » 02 Oct 2018, 16:41

What an album opener -- just the most thrilling thing:

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Count Machuki » 02 Oct 2018, 16:44

It is. Smokes the original, too, for my money.

Let U be the set of all united sets, K be the set of the kids and D be the set of things divided.
Then it follows that ∀ k ∈ K: K ∈ U ⇒ k ∉ D

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby slightbreeze » 02 Oct 2018, 16:46

And don't forget the great Marc Almond

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Darkness_Fish » 02 Oct 2018, 17:01

Cracking tune, in either Brel or Walker's clothes. I'd say that Walker's is slightly more mannered and slightly arch, whereas Brel is perhaps throwing more of himself into the mix.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Pansy Puff » 02 Oct 2018, 17:03

I love it. Although my favourite opener by Scott is Mathilde.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby The Slider » 02 Oct 2018, 17:25

slightbreeze wrote:And don't forget the great Marc Almond



I love Marc Almond but his take sounds limp and impotent next to Scott's huge primal roar of a version.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby echolalia » 03 Oct 2018, 00:03

Count Machuki wrote:It is. Smokes the original, too, for my money.


:( Surely unfair Count! What I love about some of Scott Walker’s Brel versions are how close they come to the brilliance of the original. Mathilde is another one.

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby slightbreeze » 03 Oct 2018, 00:10

The good old days, when Scott did what he did best .....sing great songs, before he became a "serious artist".

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby algroth » 03 Oct 2018, 00:54

slightbreeze wrote:The good old days, when Scott did what he did best .....sing great songs, before he became a "serious artist".


Was he any less "serious" then, however? 30 Century Man has plenty of insight into the kind of guy he was even as far back as the Walker Brothers - just have a look at the references he was using for much of the orchestral arrangements on his albums for one. :)

That's a really good doco too, by the way. And, regarding the topic at hand, it's indeed a great song and interpretation.

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Charlie O. » 03 Oct 2018, 07:54

My general distaste for Brel notwithstanding, this is indeed pretty terrific.

Pansy Puff wrote:Although my favourite opener by Scott is Mathilde.

Mine's "It's Raining Today"... even if it does feel more like a side-closer than a side-opener. (I just realized that I probably feel that way because I first heard it that way... closing Side 1 of Fire Escape In The Sky.)
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby slightbreeze » 03 Oct 2018, 11:32

algroth wrote:
slightbreeze wrote:The good old days, when Scott did what he did best .....sing great songs, before he became a "serious artist".


Was he any less "serious" then, however? 30 Century Man has plenty of insight into the kind of guy he was even as far back as the Walker Brothers - just have a look at the references he was using for much of the orchestral arrangements on his albums for one. :)

That's a really good doco too, by the way. And, regarding the topic at hand, it's indeed a great song and interpretation.

Perhaps I should have said more accessible rather than "up his own arse"

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Quaco » 03 Oct 2018, 18:44

Charlie O. wrote:My general distaste for Brel notwithstanding, this is indeed pretty terrific.

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Charlie O. » 03 Oct 2018, 19:07

I was afraid somebody was going to ask that.

I've been through it on here before. It never goes well.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Pansy Puff » 03 Oct 2018, 21:04

Charlie O. wrote:I was afraid somebody was going to ask that.

I've been through it on here before. It never goes well.

Is it the phlegm?
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby joels344 » 03 Oct 2018, 21:36

Brilliant cover. I prefer Scott’s delivery, but Brel’s is also quite excellent. Scott Walker’s first four albums, especially Scott 4, contain some of my favorite pop songs from the 1960s.

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Count Machuki » 04 Oct 2018, 03:57

The orchestra is a little on the jaunty side in Brel's version, and while you could mistake that glottal thing in his delivery for passion to me it just sounds, yeah, phglemmy.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Quaco » 07 Oct 2018, 19:35

Charlie O. wrote:I was afraid somebody was going to ask that.

I've been through it on here before. It never goes well.

Maybe I'll search for it! I assume it's his voice/delivery, rather than his songs?
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby Charlie O. » 07 Oct 2018, 20:33

No, it's the songs. I only really know them in the English translations. I doubt that that's the problem, though.
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Re: "Jackie"

Postby The Modernist » 07 Oct 2018, 22:31

Charlie O. wrote:My general distaste for Brel notwithstanding, this is indeed pretty terrific.

Pansy Puff wrote:Although my favourite opener by Scott is Mathilde.

Mine's "It's Raining Today"... even if it does feel more like a side-closer than a side-opener. (I just realized that I probably feel that way because I first heard it that way... closing Side 1 of Fire Escape In The Sky.)


Scott's own songs are almost always better than any of the covers, although I may make an exception for "My Death".

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Re: "Jackie"

Postby echolalia » 08 Oct 2018, 00:58

Scott Walker’s covers of Brel are the best. They’re better than Bowie’s of course. But they don’t quite reach the fantasticosity of the originals. It’s to do with the translation of the lyrics, and how the translation inevitably sanitizes the original. For instance Brel’s Mathilde is “a dog who’s followed us back from town”, which is missing from the Scott version.