Lennon's "Imagine" album + outtakes...6 CD boxset.

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Postby Bent Fabric » 24 Aug 2018, 21:32

Double Fantasy producer Jack Douglas gave a lecture recently where he played a sort of "demo - first take unadorned - final master" composite sequence of several of the tracks ("Wheels" was one of them), and hearing them over a large PA in that fashion, you really got to dig them as "a compelling music maker quite engaged in his work" (the vocals particularly catch him in a unique place where he's really digging into his work - not in a POB kind of way, but...still managing to find all these odd hiccups and curlicues that sort of assist the urgency of the narrative).

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Postby Quaco » 24 Aug 2018, 21:33

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Quaco wrote: Yoko's voice is not suited to rock music, being far better utilized on her solo albums (esp. YO/POB and Fly). A STINYC EP would be fantastic!! :)



Damn. I couldn't let this pass.

You've actually listened to and scrutinized her solo stuff.



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You truly are a Lennon fan, Jim.

I wouldn't say scrutinized! But I know the difference between different albums and know which I like to put on now and again.
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Postby The Modernist » 24 Aug 2018, 21:58

She was actually better than him towards the end. "Kiss Kiss Kiss" is far and away the best thing on DF and"Walking on Thin Ice" was really good too.

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Postby Pansy Puff » 24 Aug 2018, 22:06

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The Modernist wrote:There's a kind of archetypal Lennon song you get in the 70s; a sort of slow to mid tempo slog that's piano dominated (and usually has some kind of self-pitying lyric) and given some syrupy production ( and he made poor producer choices too). There are just so many like that. It's like he got into some creative rut. When he does escape from that musical straitjacket, he sounds all the better for it.


I really dislike the 'anthemic' stuff like "Power To The People" "Woman Is The Nigger ..." etc etc... that horrible fucking sax, gloopy Spector-like production.... and lazy lyrics that were just sloganeering garbage.

Someday you will take "Woman Is the Nigger..." off that list. It's anything but lazy, if you really listen to it fresh. I'll give you "Power to the People" and "Attica State" and some of the others.

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Postby Quaco » 24 Aug 2018, 22:09

:D Yeah!!
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Postby Phenomenal Cat » 27 Aug 2018, 17:25

Lennon and Nilsson seemed to have followed a similar trajectory - anonymous studio collectives, syrupy production, enthralled with generic sounds of "the past", nothing much to say. And yet I love Pussycats.
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Postby Quaco » 28 Aug 2018, 17:07

This is rather wonderful:

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Postby Bent Fabric » 28 Aug 2018, 17:36

Klaus Voorman has a pretty distinctive touch.

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Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 28 Aug 2018, 18:32

'Jealous Guy' is the only world-beater on the album.
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Postby Bent Fabric » 28 Aug 2018, 20:01

Perhaps.

I love "Gimme Some Truth", "Oh Yoko", "How", "Oh, My Love" and even "Crippled Inside". Maybe not "world-beaters", but...certainly good stuff.

Some of them "growers", for sure.

The weakest moments on the record (I really can't get with "It's So Hard") probably diminish its overall stature, but...most Doors albums (to pick a group I assuredly love) have a similar percentage of music working against them

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Postby toomanyhatz » 28 Aug 2018, 20:45

"Don't Want To Be a Soldier, Mama" has always been a bit of a slog for me. I know what he's trying (full on Spector-mantra), but he doesn't pull it off to my ears.
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Postby Sneelock » 28 Aug 2018, 20:54

I rate “imagine” front to back. His VOCALS, man. What a voice!
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Postby Matt Wilson » 28 Aug 2018, 21:16

toomanyhatz wrote:"Don't Want To Be a Soldier, Mama" has always been a bit of a slog for me. I know what he's trying (full on Spector-mantra), but he doesn't pull it off to my ears.


Yep.

I pretty much love every other track though.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 28 Aug 2018, 21:59

"How" is a bit overlong too. And the title track is really hard to hear with fresh ears (though I do think it's brilliantly produced). And "It's So Hard" has a great groove but it's a bit slight.

I really, really, really like it a lot. It's great, but flawed, ultimately.

I know most here hate the "New York session player" slickness of Walls and Bridges (particularly the "Saturday Night Live" sax), but it has a much higher hit rate for me.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 28 Aug 2018, 22:09

"Gimme Some Truth" is a world-beater, though.
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Postby Bent Fabric » 28 Aug 2018, 22:23

toomanyhatz wrote:"Gimme Some Truth" is a world-beater, though.


Certainly my belief.

That the title track has, for me (and, I suspect, for many), lost any impact it may have once had is a fact of life. I'm incapable of judging it at this point - I do know that the sort of "skeletal lushness" of it (piano, rhythm section, strings, lead vocal) is an arrangement/production template I've certainly borrowed from, so...if it's good enough for me to steal from, I'm certainly disqualified from knocking it.

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Postby Quaco » 29 Aug 2018, 01:43

toomanyhatz wrote:"Don't Want To Be a Soldier, Mama" ... I know what he's trying (full on Spector-mantra)

Yeah! It's fucking godhead.
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Postby trans-chigley express » 29 Aug 2018, 05:43

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I'm struggling to find videos that aren't blocked though ( excuses...excuses 8-) ), but he seemed to write this kind of song a lot. It's this ponderous kind of 'statement' song.


A journalist I used to play squash with many years ago suspects that Lennon wrote this song after he spent an evening with him and his mates out at a bar in Bermuda about 6 months before he died. He said the lyrics remind him of that night and the things they talked about (telling him he's crazy to not continue with the music etc.) and the bar had lots of spinning wheels on the walls or something like that. It's my favourite from the album.

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Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 29 Aug 2018, 06:25

Sneelock wrote:I rate “imagine” front to back.


You're back to front :)

Sneelock wrote:His VOCALS, man. What a voice!


One of the greatest ever, absolutely. And capable of expressing an enormous range of emotions.

It might not be a popular theme right now, but in that range and in that power, he expressed the pain of being a man. That's the feeling I always get from his solo work (and the Fabs' stuff from fairly early on, for that matter).
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Postby fange » 29 Aug 2018, 06:59

trans-chigley express wrote:A journalist I used to play squash with many years ago suspects that Lennon wrote this song after he spent an evening with him and his mates out at a bar in Bermuda about 6 months before he died. He said the lyrics remind him of that night and the things they talked about (telling him he's crazy to not continue with the music etc.) and the bar had lots of spinning wheels on the walls or something like that. It's my favourite from the album.


That's the kind of personal anecdote i'd like to be able to tell!
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