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Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby CAN » 06 Aug 2018, 12:47

True?
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby Rayge » 06 Aug 2018, 13:06

No problem with the concept, just the word - its meaning varies widely depending on the user, and I tend to think of it as a quality that sometimes manifests itself – a work of genius, that sort of thing – rather than as a description of an individual.
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby CAN » 06 Aug 2018, 13:09

Rayge wrote:No problem with the concept, just the word - its meaning varies widely depending on the user, and I tend to think of it as a quality that sometimes manifests itself – a work of genius, that sort of thing – rather than as a description of an individual.


Makes sense, but I think there are certain artists who create with such originality - while (I suppose) making sure their work is accessible/attractive to at least some people - that they're on another level altogether.

The word (like 'overrated') is certainly overused to the point where it's almost meaningless.
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby George P. Smackers » 06 Aug 2018, 15:34

Yeah it's I word I never use myself. You can't shake the smell of Romanticism from it, with the idea that somebody's trailing in some kind of supernatural sponsorship.

But worse is the way it's a conversation-stopper, like something people say when they don't have any articulate reasons for what they think. (Not saying that to Super Furry, just the way it often works in conversation.) It's the opposite of a useful term for criticism.

I tend to go for language like this person has a lot of good ideas, or an unusually high number of really great ones, or sometimes has some good ones, etc.

As for Beefheart, yeah he has a lot of ideas, and they're often quite good.

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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby The Modernist » 06 Aug 2018, 15:37

He was almost as good as Bruce Foxton.

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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby CAN » 06 Aug 2018, 15:47

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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby the gorton gollum » 06 Aug 2018, 16:13

Sometimes.
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby toomanyhatz » 06 Aug 2018, 17:59

Well, he's not just "a hard working-guy" like Brian Wilson, so I guess so. His best stuff does seem to not be labored over, so I guess that's a form of genius.
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby bobzilla77 » 06 Aug 2018, 18:39

I think the musicians labored over learning those parts, but yeah the creation seems to be entirely instinctive.

It's the oposite of formulaic, which I guess is "constantly inventive."
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Re: Captain Beefheart was a genius

Postby TG » 07 Aug 2018, 22:10

Not all of it is all that original. Certainly some of it is but there is a whole lot that is based heavily in blues and soul music. Nothing wrong with that but it isn’t very different to what others were doing concurrently and is often some of his best work.
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