Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Do talk back

Baker v. Mitchell

Ginger
7
28%
Mitch
18
72%
 
Total votes: 25

User avatar
pcqgod
Posts: 16978
Joined: 11 Apr 2010, 07:23
Location: Texas

Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby pcqgod » 10 Jul 2018, 01:54

Better drummer, based on

skills
importance to their band
ability to play sense-numbing solos

?
Where would rock 'n' roll be without feedback?

User avatar
toomanyhatz
Power-mad king of the WCC
Posts: 27248
Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Jul 2018, 02:03

MM on every level.

GB is probably a better jazz drummer, but DAMN he could be plodding for a drummer so obsessed with swing.

I can't think of a single Mitchell drum solo. Are there any? I'll bet they're no more than a minute long, unlike...
sloopjohnc wrote:Aslan has some good credenitals - got his BA from Santa Clara, a Jesuit school and his Masters from Harvard and PhD from Santa Barbara, a surfing school.


1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017!

User avatar
Phenomenal Cat
death on four legs
Posts: 10272
Joined: 07 Sep 2004, 16:52
Location: Presently Shattering the Illusion of Integrity
Contact:

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Phenomenal Cat » 10 Jul 2018, 02:12

I never got the Ginger Baker thing. He must be much better than he sounds.

Mitch Mitchell was a force of nature. A perfect foil for the Hendrix Plan.
But somehow when you smile, I can brave bad weather.

User avatar
Charlie O.
Posts: 39295
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:53
Location: In-A-Badda-La-Wadda, bay-beh

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Charlie O. » 10 Jul 2018, 02:15

I don't want to choose, because I think they were each perfect for the band they were in. I don't think of Ginger as "plodding" in the slightest (examples?), and Phenomenal Cat's antipathy towards him in particular has always puzzled me.

Ginger was also delightful in Masters Of Reality and the Ginger Baker Trio (with Charlie Haden and Bill Frisell), so maybe that pushes him over the line. On the other hand, I've never heard him do a good solo (true of a lot of otherwise great musicians), yet he insisted on doing loads of long ones anyway, so maybe that pulls him back again.
Image

User avatar
Snarfyguy
Dominated by the Obscure
Posts: 52829
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:04
Location: New York

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Jul 2018, 02:40

Agree with hatz & P. Cat.
Jimbo wrote:Look, all I know is pretty much what I get from Robert Parry over at Consortium News.

User avatar
pcqgod
Posts: 16978
Joined: 11 Apr 2010, 07:23
Location: Texas

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby pcqgod » 10 Jul 2018, 03:04

toomanyhatz wrote:MM on every level.

GB is probably a better jazz drummer, but DAMN he could be plodding for a drummer so obsessed with swing.

I can't think of a single Mitchell drum solo. Are there any? I'll bet they're no more than a minute long, unlike...


I was joking about that last part, obviously, but I did see a video on Facebook today of Mitchell playing a solo on stage with Hendrix.
Where would rock 'n' roll be without feedback?

Bent Fabric
Posts: 2755
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 21:38

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Bent Fabric » 10 Jul 2018, 03:26

Mitch all day every day.

No knock on Ginger (his drumming on That's the Way God Planned It is quite powerful and stirring).

User avatar
Phenomenal Cat
death on four legs
Posts: 10272
Joined: 07 Sep 2004, 16:52
Location: Presently Shattering the Illusion of Integrity
Contact:

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Phenomenal Cat » 10 Jul 2018, 03:54

Charlie O. wrote:and Phenomenal Cat's antipathy towards him in particular has always puzzled me.


I've only really heard Cream, and The Experience just makes them sound flat and out-of-date. I do enjoy not liking Ginger. He really is full of himself. He should join The Verve.
But somehow when you smile, I can brave bad weather.

User avatar
Davey the Fat Boy
Posts: 23664
Joined: 05 Jan 2006, 02:55
Location: Applebees

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Jul 2018, 06:00

Swing along with Mitch!
The opinions of this poster are subjective. That’s how opinions work.

Image

User avatar
Moleskin
Posts: 14518
Joined: 18 Feb 2004, 12:38
Location: We began to notice that we could be free, And we moved together to the West.

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Moleskin » 10 Jul 2018, 06:19

Even ifMM were not so good, it would be a pleasure to vote against GB just for his mood spoiling and absolutely not serving the song performance on Can't Find My Way Home.
@hewsim
-the artist formerly known as comrade moleskin-
-the unforgettable waldo jeffers-

Jug Band Music
my own music

User avatar
toomanyhatz
Power-mad king of the WCC
Posts: 27248
Joined: 07 Apr 2005, 00:01
Location: Just east of where Charlie Parker went to do some relaxin'

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Jul 2018, 07:35

Moleskin wrote:Even ifMM were not so good, it would be a pleasure to vote against GB just for his mood spoiling and absolutely not serving the song performance on Can't Find My Way Home.


One example of how I find him plodding.

Ditto "Toad," which is frikkin' endless and ham-fisted in pretty much every live performance I've ever heard.

For the most part, he's rock solid on the studio stuff, but he never quite lifts things the same way MM does.

Add to that him criticizing other drummers (starting with Bonham, who had nowhere near the chops but a dozen times the feel) and it gives me pleasure to vote against him.

Like P-Cat says, his opinion of himself is of a higher level than the evidence shows.
sloopjohnc wrote:Aslan has some good credenitals - got his BA from Santa Clara, a Jesuit school and his Masters from Harvard and PhD from Santa Barbara, a surfing school.


1959 1963 1965 1966 1974 1977 1978 1981 1988 2017!

User avatar
Goat Boy
Bogarting the joint
Posts: 32252
Joined: 20 Mar 2007, 12:11
Location: In the perfumed garden

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jul 2018, 08:02

Mitch all the way. One of my favorite rock drummers.

I’ve never understood the appeal or hype about Ginger Baker. His reputation feels like some kind of con. Plus he’s a massive tool.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


Copehead wrote:we have lost touch with anything normal

User avatar
Charlie O.
Posts: 39295
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:53
Location: In-A-Badda-La-Wadda, bay-beh

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Charlie O. » 10 Jul 2018, 08:14

toomanyhatz wrote:
Moleskin wrote:Even ifMM were not so good, it would be a pleasure to vote against GB just for his mood spoiling and absolutely not serving the song performance on Can't Find My Way Home.


One example of how I find him plodding.

Fair enough. I find the whole Blind Faith album plodding, though I think there's plenty of blame to go around there.
Image

Bent Fabric
Posts: 2755
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 21:38

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Bent Fabric » 10 Jul 2018, 13:07

Leaving Baker out of this completely, there is a level of "liftoff" with Mitchell that you don't get with many drummers (something like "Manic Depression" really does seem to "fly" for lack of a better word).

Anyone know the actual story on Redding? It seems like there was something about him (be it personal or musical) that Mitch and Jimi founddifficult to bear.

User avatar
Diamond Dog
"Self Quoter" Extraordinaire.
Posts: 66432
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 21:04
Location: High On Poachers Hill

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jul 2018, 13:38

Baker had the fucking audacity - the sheer bare faced fucking cheek- to say that John Bonham "couldn't swing for shit".

What a cunt.

Mitchell all day and six ways from Sunday.
Sheets of empty canvas, untouched sheets of clay.......

User avatar
Snarfyguy
Dominated by the Obscure
Posts: 52829
Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 19:04
Location: New York

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Jul 2018, 15:02

Have we all seen the Ginger Baker documentary then?

Image

It's quite fun and yes, he's a massive tool indeed!
Jimbo wrote:Look, all I know is pretty much what I get from Robert Parry over at Consortium News.

User avatar
Rayge
Posts: 13016
Joined: 14 Aug 2013, 11:37
Location: deepest Devon
Contact:

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Rayge » 10 Jul 2018, 15:14

The originator of the drum solo? Has anyone told Gene Krupa?
In timeless moments we live forever

You can't play a tune on an absolute

Negative Capability...when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, Mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact & reason”

User avatar
kalowski II: The Revenge
wannabee enfant terrible
Posts: 16776
Joined: 29 Sep 2007, 00:32
Location: forever in Peter’s thoughts

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby kalowski II: The Revenge » 10 Jul 2018, 15:19

Like ‘em both but I’ll go Baker as he’s getting trounced. Fine in Cream, with Fela and Airforce.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

Kal ‘Roger Cock’ Hodgson wrote:I have just discovered that the fake Markus account was not John...I would like to apologise for suggesting it was him.


User avatar
Diamond Dog
"Self Quoter" Extraordinaire.
Posts: 66432
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 21:04
Location: High On Poachers Hill

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jul 2018, 16:20

Rayge wrote:The originator of the drum solo? Has anyone told Gene Krupa?


Well quite.
Sheets of empty canvas, untouched sheets of clay.......

User avatar
Matt Wilson
Psychedelic Cowpunk
Posts: 29431
Joined: 16 Jul 2003, 20:18
Location: Edge of a continent

Re: Mitch Mitchell v. Ginger Baker

Postby Matt Wilson » 10 Jul 2018, 16:30

Ginger, for sure.

Mitchell's good, but he always struck me as too much Keith Moon Jr.
Thinking about Mexican food.