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Re: new McCartney

Postby Bent Fabric » 22 Jun 2018, 19:13

I'm not sure exactly which pricks you believe yourself to be valiantly kicking against, John.

I can't think of many things much more perfunctory and impotent than railing against some legacy artist making his 500th record (a vanity project, by any measure) as he approaches senility. Nobody here is saying "That new McCartney is going to be the fucking BUSINESS!!!!" Nobody thinks it, nobody even believes it to be within the realm of probability.

Americans OR Britons.

I think there's loads of "fuckers some other person inexplicably likes" who should have stopped before they even started. People like McCartney, on the other hand...he's given me so much over a lifetime that I don't begrudge him his own joys in old age. Also, it must be said that those of us who ever cared one way or another generally started kicking him many decades ago (raises hand).

Your own twisted love/hate relationship with the likes of U2 and REM is absolutely your own business, but...it's the first thing my mind goes to when you start talking about whatever it is you're talking about here (subversiveness, mainstream, dull, successful).

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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 22 Jun 2018, 20:18

Ah, yeah. I talk a lot of nonsense and contradict myself all over the place. I know.

Maybe I shouldn't have ranted on this thread specifically - altho' the reactions are typical of the kind of thing I'm blathering on about. I just like to read people attack these beloved artists as much as praise them, as pointless as that might seem to you. It can be entertaining, it's usually fair. If we don't get these contrary views (and I don't mean some kind of hoary old 'punk' shouting 'old cunts' or whatever - which I imagine you imagine me to be :) ) then these threads get pretty boring to read. To some. Like I said.

It's not like I begrudge McCartney anything, and as you know he's given me a fuckload of pleasure over the years too. I just find a lot there to laugh at and a lot there - in his music - to dislike these days. He's a funny old bird.

And I do find this kind of mean-spiritedness more typical of Brits than Americans, for what that's worth. It's a national sport.

But much like McCartney, I'm singing an old tune here.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby toomanyhatz » 22 Jun 2018, 20:40

It's the old NME "praise 'em to the heavens" when they first show up, then when they get too big for their britches, you gotta knock 'em back down.

I tend to think it's generally bullshit at both ends.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby toomanyhatz » 22 Jun 2018, 21:09

Keep in mind also that the publication that's most guilty of praising new albums by our classic rock heroes isn't Rolling Stone any more - it's Mojo.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 22 Jun 2018, 21:23

Just a bit of balance, you know?

I mean HONESTLY
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Re: new McCartney

Postby sloopjohnc » 22 Jun 2018, 21:25

toomanyhatz wrote:They just like the shit you like! (OK, maybe Rayge not so much. But you've been saying the same thing since 2003!)


And he calls McCartney predictable.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby toomanyhatz » 22 Jun 2018, 21:34

ORORORO wrote:Just a bit of balance, you know?

I mean HONESTLY


Fair enough - I'm just saying 'twas ever thus. We may have less curmudgeons but only 'cause we have less people in general. And some of the people I miss the most - Fred, Balboa, the Cosmic American Feebs - weren't even that cranky (OK, Feeb was - man what a hilarious fucker that guy was and I presume still is. Man, I miss him!)
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 22 Jun 2018, 21:45

Yeah, me too. A lot.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 22 Jun 2018, 22:12

Well fuck...I don’t know what people want me to say here?

Shall I be blandly approving or predictably dismissive? Hmmm...so many options.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 22 Jun 2018, 23:09

I'll post the link again (which won't embed) - I promise you there are several huge treats there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvzCTqkBDQ&t=313s
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I've got more Disky product

a label like Dutch Disky

One comp to avoid, though, is Disky's "Best of the 70's"

Normally, Disky are clever at repackaging

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Re: new McCartney

Postby Bent Fabric » 23 Jun 2018, 01:38

ORORORO wrote:(and I don't mean some kind of hoary old 'punk' shouting 'old cunts' or whatever - which I imagine you imagine me to be :) )


Not remotely.

Not here, not anywhere.

There are reflexive (nay tourettic) forms of both abrasiveness and blandness in "internet society" that are, at their very core, as inorganic as they are predictable. I regularly wince to see both. Especially when you can sort of hear the train pulling into the station. They may even become ineffectual with repeat usage. And I'm kind of looking at myself when I say this. Why, you know - I don't even bother stopping to belittle certain venerated acts anymore...and that seems alternately refreshing and depressing. For everything gained, something is lost.

I get your larger point. I fidget a fair bit when I can't find the cool side of the pillow.

I can't manufacture the balance I seek in life, but I do demand it.

I just find a lot there to laugh at and a lot there - in his music - to dislike these days. He's a funny old bird.


Absolutely. UNIQUELY "fruity". Perhaps always so to some degree, but...age seldom flatters a series of unseemly quirks.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Bent Fabric » 23 Jun 2018, 01:39

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Re: new McCartney

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 23 Jun 2018, 03:35

Genius/Idiot.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Jimbo » 23 Jun 2018, 05:28

ORORORO wrote:I'll post the link again (which won't embed) - I promise you there are several huge treats there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvzCTqkBDQ&t=313s


Most enjoyable. That pub audience lady crying during Hey Jude really got to me.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Bent Fabric » 24 Jun 2018, 14:48

ORORORO wrote:...a blandly non-discerning US crowd.


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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 24 Jun 2018, 15:36

:lol:
GoogaMooga wrote:you have to look to the Dutch licensee, Disky

I've got more Disky product

a label like Dutch Disky

One comp to avoid, though, is Disky's "Best of the 70's"

Normally, Disky are clever at repackaging

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Re: new McCartney

Postby Sneelock » 24 Jun 2018, 18:17

toomanyhatz wrote:Keep in mind also that the publication that's most guilty of praising new albums by our classic rock heroes isn't Rolling Stone any more - it's Mojo.



Hmm, good point but I’ll bet a thread on Rolling Stone’s ranking of every Taylor Swift song would get a lot of action.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Sneelock » 24 Jun 2018, 18:32

It’s his line of work. He still shows up in the charts. I don’t give a shit about the charts but that’s not my line of work. Maybe in his 90’s he’ll tinker in the shed but, for now, whatever he does has some sort of value in the marketplace.

You hear it — you like it or you don’t. You think it sucks or that he’s shallow — fine. That’s a valid opinion. He’ll sit in the rocking chair when he’s ready. Me, maybe I’m ready. I’d rather listen to Cramps than McCartney today but I am a wheezy old bastard who treats music like comfort food. One man’s gruel is another man’s porridge.
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Re: new McCartney

Postby Earl E. Eel » 26 Jul 2018, 01:33

GoogaMooga wrote:you have to look to the Dutch licensee, Disky

I've got more Disky product

a label like Dutch Disky

One comp to avoid, though, is Disky's "Best of the 70's"

Normally, Disky are clever at repackaging

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Re: new McCartney

Postby The Modernist » 26 Jul 2018, 08:51

Just read the thread...I can understand John's frustration in many ways! :lol:

It's as bland and uninspired as music can get really and I wonder what the point is. But I guess these people aren't going to be around much longer so there's a kind of goodwill towards them, which is understandable in many ways. And given that he's releasing music at a time when most of it doesn't matter at all then I guess it just another 'thing' to fall into this vacuum of a cultural activity that doesn't have much meaning or relevance anymore. It's difficult to take a stance on it.