Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby gash on ignore » 11 Jun 2018, 17:16

Miles for substances.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Hightea » 11 Jun 2018, 17:26

Miles over Coltrane although I'm a big fan of both.
Miles covered more ground, more different styles and played with just about everyone.
Plus love the Bitches Brew/Live Evil fusion era.

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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby sloopjohnc » 11 Jun 2018, 18:10

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I tried for 10 minutes to make an argument for Coltrane before I finally admitted to myself that the answer just has to be Miles. He went everywhere musically.

I probably love Comtrane’s best more. But not by enough to ignore the sheer scope of Mile’s work (Coltrane was no slouch either in the “scope” dept. - but nobody beats Miles on that score).


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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Goat Boy » 11 Jun 2018, 18:18

I've not been able to get with Coltrane. I just don't find him as melodic as Davis and I'm not interested in anything free jazzy either so stuff like Ascension is over my head.

Even when Miles moves to the tropical electric stew of Bitches Brew etc I can still get something out of it but I like the purity of his playing. There's an elegance to something like In A Silent Way or Sketches of Spain that I love.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby LeBaron » 11 Jun 2018, 18:28

This is all rather shocking and depressing.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Jeemo » 11 Jun 2018, 18:41

Goat Boy wrote:I've not been able to get with Coltrane. I just don't find him as melodic as Davis and I'm not interested in anything free jazzy either so stuff like Ascension is over my head.

Even when Miles moves to the tropical electric stew of Bitches Brew etc I can still get something out of it but I like the purity of his playing. There's an elegance to something like In A Silent Way or Sketches of Spain that I love.


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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby The Modernist » 11 Jun 2018, 18:43

Goat Boy wrote:I've not been able to get with Coltrane. I just don't find him as melodic as Davis and I'm not interested in anything free jazzy either so stuff like Ascension is over my head.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby The Modernist » 11 Jun 2018, 18:46

LeBaron wrote:This is all rather shocking and depressing.


Not at all. Davis' music is as beautiful and moving as anything in the 20th century. He's being undervalued by the BCB jazz snobs.

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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby joels344 » 11 Jun 2018, 18:56

Coltrane. His late-60s avant-garde jazz run is some of the greatest music ever recorded. I do love Miles Davis, but Coltrane is just on another level for me.

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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby LeBaron » 11 Jun 2018, 19:01

The Modernist wrote:
LeBaron wrote:This is all rather shocking and depressing.


Not at all. Davis' music is as beautiful and moving as anything in the 20th century. He's being undervalued by the BCB jazz snobs.


Then why is he winning the poll?
And who are these jazz snobs? :lol:
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Pansy Puff » 11 Jun 2018, 20:26

I've just listened to Ole Coltrane and In a Silent Way.





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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby gash on ignore » 11 Jun 2018, 20:29

Miles is ok if you like coffee tables.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby PENK » 11 Jun 2018, 20:33

gash on ignore wrote:Miles is ok if you like coffee tables.


I like coffee tables. They look good (if discerningly chosen) and provide somewhere to put your beverage, snack, remote, phone, laptop, book and so on.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby PENK » 11 Jun 2018, 20:34

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I tried for 10 minutes to make an argument for Coltrane before I finally admitted to myself that the answer just has to be Miles. He went everywhere musically.

I probably love Coltrane’s best more. But not by enough to ignore the sheer scope of Mile’s work (Coltrane was no slouch either in the “scope” dept. - but nobody beats Miles on that score).


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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby The Modernist » 11 Jun 2018, 20:54

gash on ignore wrote:Miles is ok if you like coffee tables.


Fuck off! That's got to be the most ridiculous thing you've ever said

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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby gash on ignore » 11 Jun 2018, 20:54

You’ve obviously been away!
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Jun 2018, 20:55

I like coffee tables, and I also like Miles Davis, so he could be onto something. Unlikely, but you never know.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby gash on ignore » 11 Jun 2018, 20:56

Pass me my Miles Davis Taschen book will you?
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Pansy Puff » 11 Jun 2018, 21:19

The Modernist wrote:
gash on ignore wrote:Miles is ok if you like coffee tables.


Fuck off! That's got to be the most ridiculous thing you've ever said


Maybe he puts his coffee cups on the floor.
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Re: Miles Davis vs. John Coltrane

Postby Six String » 11 Jun 2018, 22:00

First I must admit I don't really like these vs. threads as they rarely make sense and this is a good example. What are we measuring here, best instrumentalists? Band leader? Visionary? Composer? :?

Second, Coltrane didn't produce music as good as Miles? Are you kidding me? Blue Train, Giant Steps, A Love Supreme, Africa Brass, The Complete Live At the Village Vanguard? Some of the criticism of his playing is truly dumbfounding and shows a lack of knowledge on the subject. Coltrane only recorded for about ten years vs fifty years for Miles. I think JC did quite well with the time he was given. He may not have been the talent scout that Miles was but he was laser focused on what he was trying to do and didn't feel a need to change bands ever three or four years to accomplish it.