Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

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Simon or Wilson?

a) Paul Simon
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b) Brian Wilson.
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Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jun 2018, 08:47

Who gets your vote from these two giants?
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 09:38

Brian by a fucking parsec.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby The Slider » 10 Jun 2018, 09:42

Is a parsec not a unit of time rather than of distance?


Paul Simon has made more far music that means anything to me.

Surf's Up vs America would be a tough call though
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 09:47

No, it's 3.26 light years, roughly.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Rayge » 10 Jun 2018, 10:02

Not much in it as far as songwriting goes, although Paul is obviously a better lyricist (did Brian ever write a {good} lyric?), but Brian wins hands down as a producer/arranger/studio bod, and as a performer. Not that it's relevant, but I also get the impression he's a nicer guy.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Earl E. Eel » 10 Jun 2018, 10:22

Rayge wrote:Not much in it as far as songwriting goes, although Paul is obviously a better lyricist (did Brian ever write a {good} lyric?)


'Don't Worry Baby' is great
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Bent Fabric » 10 Jun 2018, 10:53

The Venerable B. Eef wrote:
Rayge wrote:Not much in it as far as songwriting goes, although Paul is obviously a better lyricist (did Brian ever write a {good} lyric?)


'Don't Worry Baby' is great


As is "Til I Die".

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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 13:36

"God Only Knows"? "Wouldn't It Be Nice"?
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jun 2018, 13:39

Vic Snazell-Sprey wrote:"God Only Knows"? "Wouldn't It Be Nice"?


He didn't write those lyrics, did he?
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jun 2018, 13:55

Brian by miles. It’s not even close for me
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Moleskin » 10 Jun 2018, 14:01

Diamond Dog wrote:
Vic Snazell-Sprey wrote:"God Only Knows"? "Wouldn't It Be Nice"?


He didn't write those lyrics, did he?


Tony Asher was lyricist on Pet Sounds. iirc
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Rayge » 10 Jun 2018, 14:21

Bent Fabric wrote:
The Venerable B. Eef wrote:
Rayge wrote:Not much in it as far as songwriting goes, although Paul is obviously a better lyricist (did Brian ever write a {good} lyric?)


'Don't Worry Baby' is great


As is "Til I Die".


They're both great :) : it's just that he so often worked with lyricists that I didn't know which songs were purely his own.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Bent Fabric » 10 Jun 2018, 14:33



If I were compelled to extrapolate my own "Brian, by light years" reasoning (and I'm not at all here to shit on Simon), I might start with the first 22 seconds of "California Girls".

Nevermind "the lyrics" - that instrumental "so modern we still haven't even gotten there yet" overture might be BW in a nutshell. A glorious picture in sound that manages to preface a song about "young men being into chicks" with all of this emotionally evocative pathos. You get into the body of the song, and he's hitting all of these heavy ass emotional harmonic/chordal moves (the changes in the verse...especially as fleshed out by the backing vocals in the second verse), and the up and down moves in the chorus (that last passage through G/Am/B carries a lot of "shit...this guy's a motherfucker!" implied gravitas).

Add to that his apparently singular ability to (repeatedly) get something valid out of Mike Love and there's no doubt we're talking about a deeply unique, singular, and untouchable force of nature.

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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Jeemo » 10 Jun 2018, 14:45

Paul Simon by how ever many light years you could care to mentipn.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Jun 2018, 14:57

Simon is a great craftsman who sometimes verged into being a great poet. He willed himself into creating a truly astonishing body of work. His work has meant a lot to me over the years. I could (and have) go on and on.

Wilson is a one-off. A visionary. One of those guys with a seemingly open channel to the divine.

I learned most of what I know about songwriting from Simon. I couldn’t learn much from Wilson. He created on a plane that I couldn’t even hope to get near. You can deconstruct his work harmonically, but it is hard to even fathom how he thought to make the choices he made. If Dylan is pop’s Shakespeare, Wilson is it’s Mozart.

So Wilson. Light years. He’s a chimera. No insult at all to Simon, who is one of the most talented mortals who ever walked the earth. It’s actually a testament to his greatness that this comparison isn’t immediately dismissed by all.

It’s just that Brian Wilson is a whole other thing. They’ll be studying him hundreds of years from now.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 15:09

Moleskin wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Vic Snazell-Sprey wrote:"God Only Knows"? "Wouldn't It Be Nice"?


He didn't write those lyrics, did he?


Tony Asher was lyricist on Pet Sounds. iirc


Ah right, good point.
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Earl E. Eel » 10 Jun 2018, 16:03

Bent Fabric wrote:

If I were compelled to extrapolate my own "Brian, by light years" reasoning (and I'm not at all here to shit on Simon), I might start with the first 22 seconds of "California Girls".


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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby joels344 » 10 Jun 2018, 17:27

Brian Wilson. Pet Sounds and Smile Sessions are enough for a large margin win.

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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby Jeemo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:34

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:It’s just that Brian Wilson is a whole other thing. They’ll be studying him hundreds of years from now.


I totally agree with you. My problem is that i don't get this from his records. I keep playing Pet Sounds every so often and I like it but don't get the masterpiece that others get.

i usually then go and play some Kraftwerk.........
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Re: Paul Simon or Brian Wilson?

Postby jimboo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:38

If doooeee and dah and boo boo booeeah are considered lyrics then Brian. Otherwise it's the midget with the comb over.
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