20 years on - how does this record stand up?

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I think it's....

a classic
4
12%
pretty good
10
30%
okay
2
6%
overrated
9
27%
terrible
8
24%
 
Total votes: 33

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby PENK » 09 Jun 2018, 16:30

I always found it a bit rubbish.

Even when I was a student in the early years of this century, eagerly lapping up Pitchfork's weekly hypes (well, I never really got into Clap Your Hands Say Yeah), I thought it was a bit rubbish.

There weren't any tunes, see. And the guy's voice is annoying.

The key thing in any music, for me, is hooks. This can be a melody, a beat, a little guitar figure or synth fill or cool sound or memorably freaky bit or whatever. This record didn't have any; it was just some guy droning on down his nose.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Jun 2018, 16:34



I do love this. His voice isn't exactly loveable but I do find the 2nd verse really quite moving.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Matt Wilson » 09 Jun 2018, 16:41

Ha ha, sounds like a lost Incredible String Band deep cut, just not as whiney.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby George P. Smackers » 09 Jun 2018, 16:50

Goat Boy wrote:

I do love this. His voice isn't exactly loveable but I do find the 2nd verse really quite moving.


This is a good example of what I find likable and distancing about them at the same time.

On the one hand, it's a got a tune, and I do like the way he suddenly goes from singing to bellowing in his startling way. The flugelhorn solo (or whatever it is) adds some atmosphere.

But it's hard for me not to start picturing some black-and-white Popeye cartoon after a while, with Bluto and Olive Oyl doing a sea chanty on the shore with their squeezeboxes stomping their feet. And the wide-eyed, dumbshit mysticism about being anything at all and so on at the end is charming only because it's a bit like listening to a stupid person.

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Jun 2018, 16:56

:lol:
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby driftin » 09 Jun 2018, 17:48

I like the whole thing a lot.

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Purgatory Brite » 09 Jun 2018, 19:15

I've never knowingly heard it. Probably never will.

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 09 Jun 2018, 19:20

Food for thought, eh folks?
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Rayge » 09 Jun 2018, 20:44

I never got into NMH, although people were always ranting and fighting about them on the IMDb music boards, just a whole load of Meh I thought on the one or two times I listened to it, but I loved Olivia Tremor Control for a while, properly psychedelic moments on Cubist Castle and the next one. Green Typewriters was brilliant.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Jun 2018, 21:47

Its reputation passed me by - it was decidedly the work of a generation after mine. That fact has helped me enjoy it, actually. It's goofy fun, I don't have to live or die by it.

Goat Boy mentioned the same "one Bright Eyes record" that I liked, by the way.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Jun 2018, 21:52

By the way, I feel like there's something to be said for a record that NOBODY thinks is "just OK." That's almost how I feel about it, but I do tend ever-so-slightly to the positive, the once-every-couple-of-years that I hear it.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Fonz » 09 Jun 2018, 22:29

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February 1998? Wow, that flew by.

Did you love it then? Have you come to love it since? Did you used to love it but care for it no more? Did you always hate it?


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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby The Modernist » 09 Jun 2018, 23:04

Goat Boy wrote:

I do love this. His voice isn't exactly loveable but I do find the 2nd verse really quite moving.


Terrible. It sounds like Peter, Paul and Mary on the special brew.

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 08:35

The Modernist wrote:
Terrible. It sounds like Peter, Paul and Mary on the special brew.


It's absolutely gorgeous. I may not get on with the album in its entirety but, as Dougie says, there are some special moments on it. I love Communist Daughter too.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 08:36

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 10 Jun 2018, 09:11

The Modernist wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:

I do love this. His voice isn't exactly loveable but I do find the 2nd verse really quite moving.


Terrible. It sounds like Peter, Paul and Mary on the special brew.


:lol:
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Pansy Puff » 10 Jun 2018, 09:27

Vic Snazell-Sprey wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Terrible. It sounds like Peter, Paul and Mary on the special brew.


It's absolutely gorgeous. I may not get on with the album in its entirety but, as Dougie says, there are some special moments on it. I love Communist Daughter too.

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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 09:34

Yeah, me too.

And while we're at it, I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning is a songwriting masterclass.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby fange » 10 Jun 2018, 10:01

I think it's just ok; always have.


Its reputation is one that's always surprised me.
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Re: 20 years on - how does this record stand up?

Postby pcqgod » 10 Jun 2018, 14:58

One of my favorite album covers, actually. Musically, it's a bit dull and formulaic alt-rock with the loud/soft thing throughout. Lead vocalist is terrible. But I love that "I love you Jesus Christ" song with the Gaelic music influenced melody.
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