Prince or Stevie Wonder?

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Who floats your boat most?

a) Prince
16
40%
b) Stevie
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60%
 
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Diamond Dog » 08 Jun 2018, 08:58

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman wrote:It isn't about floating boats at all -

Stevie Wonder had true and unforgettable peaks, and also produced bland AOR (and that is putting it mildly). Just like Brian Wilson did.

Prince is somehow an example of ever diminishing returns for me, after some fine moments.

Stevie's work, in my memory, never became volatile. Prince's did, for the most part.

And that is it.


It's really not though, is it?

Stevie's music from SITKOL took a dramatic fall, and after the very early 80's, it fell off the cliff. There is absolutely NOTHING from '84 onwards you'd want to hear. It is unremitting tedium and blandness beyond the call of duty.

Whilst I fully accept that Prince's output from the start of the 90s went downhill, there are still tracks from nearly every album he produced that were worthy and there are even albums (Emancipation, Love Symbol) that were strong throughout. He absolutely did not fall as quickly, or as deeply, as Stevie did.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Jun 2018, 09:15

True but it’s one of these Prince criticisms that has become accepted as fact by people who don’t really know what they are talking about.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Pansy Puff » 08 Jun 2018, 09:44

Diamond Dog wrote:
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman wrote:It isn't about floating boats at all -

Stevie Wonder had true and unforgettable peaks, and also produced bland AOR (and that is putting it mildly). Just like Brian Wilson did.

Prince is somehow an example of ever diminishing returns for me, after some fine moments.

Stevie's work, in my memory, never became volatile. Prince's did, for the most part.

And that is it.


It's really not though, is it?

Stevie's music from SITKOL took a dramatic fall, and after the very early 80's, it fell off the cliff. There is absolutely NOTHING from '84 onwards you'd want to hear. It is unremitting tedium and blandness beyond the call of duty.

Whilst I fully accept that Prince's output from the start of the 90s went downhill, there are still tracks from nearly every album he produced that were worthy and there are even albums (Emancipation, Love Symbol) that were strong throughout. He absolutely did not fall as quickly, or as deeply, as Stevie did.

It's certainly not true that there is nothing from Stevie I wouldn't want to hear, but funnily enough, his best song post 84 is So What's The Fuss which features Prince!
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby ORORORO » 08 Jun 2018, 09:44

Goat Boy wrote:True but it’s one of these Prince criticisms that has become accepted as fact by people who don’t really know what they are talking about.


:o

you didn't use "narrative"!
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Pansy Puff » 08 Jun 2018, 09:45

Goat Boy wrote:True but it’s one of these Prince criticisms that has become accepted as fact by people who don’t really know what they are talking about.

Listen to GB here, people.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby ORORORO » 08 Jun 2018, 09:45

This place is going right downhill, I tell ya

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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Jun 2018, 09:55

sloopjohnc wrote:
Bent Fabric wrote:and - arguably - where his "Does he or doesn't he?" Todd Rundgren influence really flowers fullest.


I think this is what's called "burying the lead," as Goatboy is a huge Rundgren fan.

It makes sense now.


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Why doesn’t Breathless bother me but, in comparison, those synths on Living For The City do (a bit)? Maybe it’s just because Todd did it so wholeheartedly. He really opened the door to a new sound world and stepped right on through. He really hung around for a while. It’s not gimmicky. There is complete commitment verging on abandonment, be it on Breathless or Flamingo or In and Out The Chakras or (hell yeah) The Spark of Life. And even when he uses it just to add a bit of colour it’s more intuitive to me (like that beautiful synth that appears in the background on I Don’t Want To Tie You Down). With Stevie it’s a bit like, “here’s my new piece of kit, fellas!”. I don’t think he needed to use ‘em. I’m not sure it adds anything that couldn’t have been achieved with strings or something else a lot of the time. I appreciate for a soul artist it took balls and it was an unusual step but to me it sometimes recalls similarly lurid attempts at integrating the new technology by some of the proggers. Of course I’m sure some would similarly baulk at those Todd songs I mentioned earlier.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby fange » 08 Jun 2018, 10:22

Goat Boy wrote:Why doesn’t Breathless bother me but, in comparison, those synths on Living For The City do (a bit)? Maybe it’s just because Todd did it so wholeheartedly. He really opened the door to a new sound world and stepped right on through. He really hung around for a while. It’s not gimmicky. There is complete commitment verging on abandonment, be it on Breathless or Flamingo or In and Out The Chakras or (hell yeah) The Spark of Life. And even when he uses it just to add a bit of colour it’s more intuitive to me (like that beautiful synth that appears in the background on I Don’t Want To Tie You Down). With Stevie it’s a bit like, “here’s my new piece of kit, fellas!”. I don’t think he needed to use ‘em. I’m not sure it adds anything that couldn’t have been achieved with strings or something else a lot of the time. I appreciate for a soul artist it took balls and it was an unusual step but to me it sometimes recalls similarly lurid attempts at integrating the new technology by some of the proggers. Of course I’m sure some would similarly baulk at those Todd songs I mentioned earlier.

Man, each to their own, but i love the synths on 'Living For The City', and think they fit in with that lyrical theme of modern life or maybe modern urban decay that Stevie seemed to be going for.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby gash on ignore » 08 Jun 2018, 10:33

I don’t buy his use of the Tonto lads as him playing with new toys, they were fully on board for what, five records? Stevie’s sound at this time was fully in step with that highly coloured, almost unreal flavour of CTI, Afrocentric cosmic jazz or (urgh) Bernie Worrell - future sounds.
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

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It’s just next to the freshly smashed pesto flangey.

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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Jun 2018, 10:42

fange wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:Why doesn’t Breathless bother me but, in comparison, those synths on Living For The City do (a bit)? Maybe it’s just because Todd did it so wholeheartedly. He really opened the door to a new sound world and stepped right on through. He really hung around for a while. It’s not gimmicky. There is complete commitment verging on abandonment, be it on Breathless or Flamingo or In and Out The Chakras or (hell yeah) The Spark of Life. And even when he uses it just to add a bit of colour it’s more intuitive to me (like that beautiful synth that appears in the background on I Don’t Want To Tie You Down). With Stevie it’s a bit like, “here’s my new piece of kit, fellas!”. I don’t think he needed to use ‘em. I’m not sure it adds anything that couldn’t have been achieved with strings or something else a lot of the time. I appreciate for a soul artist it took balls and it was an unusual step but to me it sometimes recalls similarly lurid attempts at integrating the new technology by some of the proggers. Of course I’m sure some would similarly baulk at those Todd songs I mentioned earlier.

Man, each to their own, but i love the synths on 'Living For The City', and think they fit in with that lyrical theme of modern life or maybe modern urban decay that Stevie seemed to be going for.


They certainly sound hellish
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

Postby ORORORO » 08 Jun 2018, 10:45

It's like that mid-70s Hancock shit that some of you go for - the synth sounds are objectively horrible.
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Where’s Matt Wilson when you need him?
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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

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Re: Prince or Stevie Wonder?

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