Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

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Hunter v. Lynott v. Cummings

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Ian
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Phil
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Burton
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Joe Baxter » 10 May 2018, 13:36

Cummings is a technically gifted singer, though I prefer Hunter. Lynott didn't sing, he drawled the lyrics, apparently some folk like that.

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 10 May 2018, 13:51

jimboo wrote:Dreadful band Thin Lizzy ,thank you to the Slider for posting some fine examples. I don't know Cummings , ain't interested either. Hunter , glasses , swagger and oozing pop glam from every pore .


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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 May 2018, 23:52

Too much swagger sometimes, if you ask me. Too much Mick Ralphs. Too many ordinary songs ("Violence," "I Wish I Was Your Mother") claimed as classics by people who should know better.

Amazing heights, undeniably, but I think that pop glam stuff has caused people to see things that aren't there. Not that I'm saying anything I haven't said here ad infinitum over the years.

And I haven't even started on how bad their version of "Sweet Jane" is. And it's one of the songs their reputation is based on!
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Butch Manly » 10 May 2018, 23:55

toomanyhatz wrote: Too many ordinary songs.... "I Wish I Was Your Mother"....claimed as classics by people who should know better.


Alejandro Escovedo covered it, of course.....
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 11 May 2018, 00:28

That's a great song though!
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Charlie O. » 11 May 2018, 02:40

Quaco wrote:That's a great song though!

Of course it is.

Maria McKee covered it, too.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 May 2018, 04:59

Meh.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 11 May 2018, 08:25

Yeah, another one BCB wasted my time with.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Goat Boy » 11 May 2018, 09:13

The love of Thin Lizzy has always been one of those odd BCB quirks.

Hunter sang on some genuinely great glam pop songs, two of which at least (Dudes and Stone) are absolutely wonderful
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 11 May 2018, 09:39

Quaco wrote:...but Lynott wrote more good songs overall and had a more fun persona.


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Goat Boy wrote:The love of Thin Lizzy has always been one of those odd BCB quirks.


Stodgy 70s rock, innit? always a hit around here.

Yomp'll be along any minute to tell us Lynott was a genius or something.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 May 2018, 18:35

Stodgy 70s rock describes a great majority of Mott.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby sloopjohnc » 11 May 2018, 19:04

toomanyhatz wrote:Stodgy 70s rock describes a great majority of Mott.


I was thinking the same thing. You can use "glam" as an adjective all you want, but it doesn't really change the music.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 May 2018, 19:08

When they're good, though ("All the Way From Memphis," "...Dudes," "Death May Be Your Santa Claus," etc.), they're truly great.

There's a dozen at a stretch, though. And that's out of what, ten albums?
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby sloopjohnc » 11 May 2018, 21:20

toomanyhatz wrote:When they're good, though ("All the Way From Memphis," "...Dudes," "Death May Be Your Santa Claus," etc.), they're truly great.

There's a dozen at a stretch, though. And that's out of what, ten albums?


I like All the Way from Memphis, but even that is pretty basic boogie rock.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby The Slider » 11 May 2018, 22:08

Apart from 5 or 6 hit singles they made dreary unimaginitive formulaic meat and potatoes rock.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 11 May 2018, 22:16

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 11 May 2018, 22:18

toomanyhatz wrote:When they're good, though ("All the Way From Memphis," "...Dudes," "Death May Be Your Santa Claus," etc.), they're truly great.

There's a dozen at a stretch, though. And that's out of what, ten albums?


Yeah, but you could say that about 99% of bands we rave about here.

One of the things that (I think) makes Mott a cut above the rest is that they managed this kind of irresistible groovy shit in the early days:



and then you get triumphs like this a few years later:




and if Lynott and his glum little entourage have anything that even approaches the sheer exuberance and primary-colours BIG TIME FUN that this beaut offers, I'd LOVE to hear it:

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 May 2018, 22:43

Ear of the beholder. "Rock and Roll Queen" has always seemed pretty typical, dull and cliche. Like something written by somebody that ended up in Bad Company, kind of.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 May 2018, 22:51

"Jerkin' Crocus" is pretty damned standard-issue boogie too. "Roll Away the Stone" is their good side, but again- exception rather than rule.

Lynott was a more "detached" writer, I suppose, but he's a first class dramatist, which is hard to do in song. I'm not sure Hunter ever managed it. To me stuff like "Violence" is an unsuccessful version of what Lynott does well.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 11 May 2018, 23:21

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