Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

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Hunter v. Lynott v. Cummings

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Ian
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Phil
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Burton
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 08 May 2018, 23:15

Quaco wrote:
Hodgson's Tears wrote:Lynott was aggressive and not very bright.

Not true, not true at all. But I will admit he seems that way because of the denim, rock style, and so on. Some day, you may find yourself surprised!


I watched a documentary on him a few nights ago, and there were the usual schoolday reminiscences. Some fellas were saying he was a bully, a hard-knock, and I think there was some reference to him being really weak academically.

I dunno. I don't like his music but saying that isn't enough, is it? I'm looking for evidence of a more serious crime to get more BCBers on my side :)
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 08 May 2018, 23:38

Hmm, well my experience is I somehow ended up listening to the first Thin Lizzy album a while ago, and was surprised by how funny and together the vision was. Maybe he's like David Lee Roth, just in the sense that that the whole thing is a made-up fantasy of how a rocker could be, and if you like it, he does it well, but if you don't, it seems really really dumb.

I'm not sure how anybody could dislike this:

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 08 May 2018, 23:40

Even three-way split!
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby The Slider » 09 May 2018, 08:32

Phil by about 30000 miles
I'm bewildered that anyone with any imagination at all could vote otherwise.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Pansy Puff » 09 May 2018, 08:46

Other than the ludicrously camp 'American Woman' I know nothing of The Guess Who.

Should I?
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Mike Boom » 09 May 2018, 13:57

Pansy Puff wrote:Other than the ludicrously camp 'American Woman' I know nothing of The Guess Who.

Should I?


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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 09 May 2018, 14:03

Quaco wrote:
I'm not sure how anybody could dislike this:




Really? I find it incredibly boring. 'competent' is the best thing I can say about it.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby pcqgod » 09 May 2018, 15:22

Pansy Puff wrote:Other than the ludicrously camp 'American Woman' I know nothing of The Guess Who.

Should I?


I'd just start with a "best of" collection. Or you might try the 'Canned Wheat' album which features many of the key tracks that will be on a compilation. I don't think they're the kind of band that would blow anyone away at first listen.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Pansy Puff » 09 May 2018, 17:17

OK. Thanks all, I'll get a best of.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 09 May 2018, 18:41

Hodgson's Tears wrote:
Quaco wrote:
I'm not sure how anybody could dislike this:




Really? I find it incredibly boring. 'competent' is the best thing I can say about it.

Odd! Isn't there subtlety and humor in the words/delivery? Aren't there melodic hard rock passages (i.e., not just blooze, 'rock and roll mama' type stuff)?
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Charlie O. » 09 May 2018, 18:48

The Slider wrote:Phil by about 30000 miles
I'm bewildered that anyone with any imagination at all could vote otherwise.

Showtunes. ;)

(I know that isn't necessarily an insult/criticism.)
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby sloopjohnc » 09 May 2018, 18:51

Pansy Puff wrote:OK. Thanks all, I'll get a best of.


there are three good ones I like. There's the single disc Best Of, but to get a better sweep there's. . .

The History of Guess Who
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More than just the hits.

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Charlie O. » 09 May 2018, 19:07

I'll add the 2-CD Anthology - probably the best overview with the best sound.

That said, The Best Of The Guess Who, though it only covers 1969-1970 (!), is the most all-killer-no-filler.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 09 May 2018, 19:21

Quaco wrote:
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Quaco wrote:
I'm not sure how anybody could dislike this:




Really? I find it incredibly boring. 'competent' is the best thing I can say about it.

Odd! Isn't there subtlety and humor in the words/delivery? Aren't there melodic hard rock passages (i.e., not just blooze, 'rock and roll mama' type stuff)?


It's mainly that one riff, and it's not especially interesting. I don't hear much melody there at all!

If the whole thing was sped up I might like it a bit more. But then you'd still get that boring voice.

I really dislike everything I've heard from TL. I can't really tell you why 'Whisky' and 'Boys' don't float my boat, maybe it's just that they're 4, 5, 7 and 8 and I like 1, 2, 3 and 6.

And friends have recommended the early stuff but that's even worse (I was expecting some kind of acoustic Groundhogs-type thing - sadly not).



Anyway good to see IH is winning. Something like 'Roll Away The Stone' is much more comic-book and cheeky than Lynott would ever even attempt.
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Quaco » 09 May 2018, 19:25

Well, once you get the riff, you are supposed to listen to other things, like the voice -- and the chorus, which is as exhilarating as anything ever.

Not all their songs are great, for sure, even in that clip.

He's not big on melody. I think of him in the same vein as Springsteen but more fun and self-knowing. (When I said 'melodic hard rock passages', I was referring to the guitars, and the 'Break out!' riff in a different key.)
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 May 2018, 19:25

This is great pop music, great hard rock AND very soulful besides. PL didn't have a lot of moments like this, but this isn't the only one:

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby Mike Boom » 09 May 2018, 20:44



This too

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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby sloopjohnc » 09 May 2018, 21:09

toomanyhatz wrote:This is great pop music, great hard rock AND very soulful besides. PL didn't have a lot of moments like this, but this isn't the only one:



Great song. Lynott could do that, go between rockers and really melodic songs. He was a softie at heart.

This is one of my favorites of his.


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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby The Slider » 10 May 2018, 07:59

Charlie O. wrote:
The Slider wrote:Phil by about 30000 miles
I'm bewildered that anyone with any imagination at all could vote otherwise.

Showtunes. ;)

(I know that isn't necessarily an insult/criticism.)


Very much so
With a literal Folk Music basis.

I like Mott the Hoople in small doses.
And the other feller is a good singer - 'better' than the other two if you like.
But there's a huge imagination at play in Thin Lizzy that the other two don't even begin to approach
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Re: Ian Hunter v. Phil Lynott v. Burton Cummings

Postby mission » 10 May 2018, 10:51



Brother, brother.

All of the poppier tunes on Jailbreak are first rate examples of musical intelligence. Tighter than a fish's ring, crisply detailed, they're little masterclasses in tunesmithery.

How are the little handclaps here?



Or Brian Downey Jr's pressed rolls into and out of the chorus here:



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