Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

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Arthur
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Nick
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41%
Roger
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 08 May 2018, 21:27

take5_d_shorterer wrote:Once you stated the meaning of it, that's how I thought the meaning might have evolved.

"Can't half" might be a double negative like "not not" which is logically a positive.

While double negatives (e.g., "not untoward") can occur in American English, I usually associate them with British English.

When double negatives are used colloquially in the US, they are used for emphasis on the negative (e.g., "not nothing").

Returning to "bad", I think this was originally used to confuse people on the outside. A lot of this has to do with history of race in the United States.

Looking around on the web, some places are claiming that "can't half" originated in the East End.

This is getting far away from the original premise of the thread, but I'd rather talk about idiomatic use of English than whether or not people like Syd Barrett.


"Can't half" play isn't a double negative, I don't think. It's "He can't half play..." as in he can play "the whole thing." See also, "It's ain't half hot, mum." It's "whole hot" = as hot as can be.

Back to the original premise of the thread:

Arthur: fascinating, auteur-like and a great live entertainer. Wrote and performed on some of the greatest songs ever released.
Nick: beautiful, echoing voice, beautiful guitar playing, great songs. Got my vote, but it could have been Arthur.
Syd: I quite like Bike.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Matt Wilson » 08 May 2018, 21:44

Syd's getting trounced here.

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby The Beatles » 08 May 2018, 22:11

Protest votes.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Goat Boy » 08 May 2018, 22:30

Pansy Puff wrote:Syd: I quite like Bike.


And to think you're allowed to teach children
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Goat Boy » 08 May 2018, 22:32

Hodgson's Tears wrote:Protest votes.


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I read the article, which was nonsense.

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby The Beatles » 08 May 2018, 22:34

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 08 May 2018, 22:43

Goat Boy wrote:
Pansy Puff wrote:Syd: I quite like Bike.


And to think you're allowed to teach children

:lol:
OK. I like a bit more than that.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sneelock » 08 May 2018, 22:59

Syd. he maybe doesn't have that big a body of work but what's there is pretty singular. his influence on people who interest me is half the equation. the other half is how unique his work is. "madcap laughs" and "barrett" are objectively messy things - in and out of tune. in and out of key. they still have moments I find thrilling. he got something of himself in what he did. maybe it was a cry for help but maybe it was just the art he had to make. maybe both. I like all three guys but Syd was special. even without his back story the music stands, for me, on it's own merits.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 08 May 2018, 23:46

Back when I was a performing musician and had to hire other musicians, I learned after a while to avoid any musician who mentioned Syd in the first conversation. Always the least imaginative players.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sneelock » 09 May 2018, 00:18

so, this reflects on Syd?
I don't usually like youngsters who idolize Lou Reed because he was a junkie.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 May 2018, 00:21

Nah...doesn’t mean a thing about Syd. Just a response to your comment about his influence on people who’ve influenced you. Another side of the same coin.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sneelock » 09 May 2018, 00:22

I'd like to hang out with those guys. we can do unimaginative things together!
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sneelock » 09 May 2018, 00:23

ice cream?
do you have vanilla?
I DO!!!!!
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Quaco » 09 May 2018, 00:32

Other people to avoid from the pages of the Recycler: people who mention Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, or jazz (who aren't actually jazz players).
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Bent Fabric » 09 May 2018, 00:53

Quaco wrote:Other people to avoid from the pages of the Recycler: people who mention Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, or jazz (who aren't actually jazz players).


There is a much venerated, eternally cultish, freakishly talented veteran of American Music™ (loved as much by yer trad arr houserockin' blandos as he is by Shaggs...or even Syd enthusiasts) who introduced to me the following phrase (describing audiences): "They're liking it wrong."

It's real. Certainly something I feel resonating even in my own modest musical life.

I've known the musicians who absolutely believe themselves to be "blowin' Trane" who couldn't find the approximate neighborhood of a sympathetic tempo or groove if you bribed them. You'll never be able to tell them that they themselves aren't Can or Hawkwind, but...here we are.

The Who? Yeah - as great as anything that I'll ever love, but...I've mostly seen that badge worn by people who stopped at the parka and never even made it to "Sparks".

Syd-era Floyd will always nourish me as the direly needed antithesis of a certain "ambient toxic drabness", but there's really no arguing with the basic premise that the greater/more singular the art, the more warily one might consider claims of influence.

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Quaco » 09 May 2018, 01:12

Basically, Davey's wrong.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sneelock » 09 May 2018, 01:17

well, sorry to bring influence into it but only half into it ("half the equation")
I like Syd's thing. I know it's not for everybody but it's for me.
I do like that it's obviously also more than a passing influence on artists I like ( I'm thinking Bowie and Robyn Hitchcock mainly)
I'm not a musician so I don't have to deal with anybody trying to get into the Sneelock Experience and souring me on their influences.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 May 2018, 01:23

Quaco wrote:Basically, Davey's wrong.


You bastard!
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby The Beatles » 09 May 2018, 03:40

Quaco wrote:Other people to avoid from the pages of the Recycler: people who mention Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, or jazz (who aren't actually jazz players).


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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Neige » 09 May 2018, 07:06

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