Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

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Arthur
15
41%
Nick
15
41%
Roger
7
19%
 
Total votes: 37

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Rayge » 07 May 2018, 16:53

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Rayge wrote:Ah, but I didn't say that did I? I was comparing "pansy" with "weak and wet". I clearly wrote that, but you go ahead and argue against me about something I didn't write. Perhaps turn it into a couple of hilariously loquacious paragraphs and then get an alias to agree with you. The odd funny word (eg "bugry") goes down well too.


And I'm saying the fact that he may has been a sporty adolescent and not weak and wet doesn't mean that his song persona is not weak and wet, not to mention precious and mimsy. So what I wrote addressed your point pointedly.

And as I have said many times before all my atlases are out, and none of them 'agree with me' on this or any other subject, but then again you never believe what I write, do you, even when an admin (Prof, another of my aliases) confirms it?

And while both loquacity and hilarity are trademarks of my posts, in this thread they've been terse to the point of coaninanity, so I'm not sure what that's about ;)
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 07 May 2018, 16:58

Evidence of rugged heterosexuality?
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sloopjohnc » 07 May 2018, 17:21

Mike Boom wrote:The "Pansy" appears to be winning - #Pansy Power, #Pansies Rock




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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 17:24



One of John’s faves.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sloopjohnc » 07 May 2018, 17:25

Rayge wrote:
K wrote:He developed an interest in sport, becoming an accomplished sprinter over 100 and 200 yards, representing the school's Open Team in 1966. He played rugby for the C1 House team and was appointed a House Captain in his last two terms. School friends recall Drake at this time as having been confident and "quietly authoritative", while often aloof in his manner


Don't conflate the man with the persona presented by his songs, which was all I was talking about


One of the heroes of flight 93, one of the passengers who took down the plane in a field before terrorists could crash it into something else, was Mark Bingham, a star rugby player at University of California, Berkeley. He was 6' 4" and 225 lbs. Bingham also just happened to be gay.

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Thang-y » 07 May 2018, 17:28

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 07 May 2018, 17:43

sloopjohnc wrote:
Rayge wrote:
K wrote:He developed an interest in sport, becoming an accomplished sprinter over 100 and 200 yards, representing the school's Open Team in 1966. He played rugby for the C1 House team and was appointed a House Captain in his last two terms. School friends recall Drake at this time as having been confident and "quietly authoritative", while often aloof in his manner


Don't conflate the man with the persona presented by his songs, which was all I was talking about


One of the heroes of flight 93, one of the passengers who took down the plane in a field before terrorists could crash it into something else, was Mark Bingham, a star rugby player at University of California, Berkeley. He was 6' 4" and 225 lbs. Bingham also just happened to be gay.

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As low Ng as you are referencing Rayge and not me. At no point was I saying sports were incompatible with homosexuality. I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby sloopjohnc » 07 May 2018, 17:57

K wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:
Rayge wrote:
Don't conflate the man with the persona presented by his songs, which was all I was talking about


One of the heroes of flight 93, one of the passengers who took down the plane in a field before terrorists could crash it into something else, was Mark Bingham, a star rugby player at University of California, Berkeley. He was 6' 4" and 225 lbs. Bingham also just happened to be gay.

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As low Ng as you are referencing Rayge and not me. At no point was I saying sports were incompatible with homosexuality. I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".


It wasn't a specific response to anyone - just that you can't judge a book by its cover.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 17:58

K wrote:As low Ng as you are referencing Rayge and not me. At no point was I saying sports were incompatible with homosexuality. I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".


Typing when enraged, always a good idea :lol:
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 07 May 2018, 18:06

Ha ha ha ha ha. Brilliant.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 18:09

K wrote:Probably wasn't a "pansy" if Coan means "weak and wet"


K wrote:I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".


Are these your definitions of ‘pansy’? Seem a tad...homophobic?
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Rayge » 07 May 2018, 18:16

sloopjohnc wrote:
Rayge wrote:
K wrote:He developed an interest in sport, becoming an accomplished sprinter over 100 and 200 yards, representing the school's Open Team in 1966. He played rugby for the C1 House team and was appointed a House Captain in his last two terms. School friends recall Drake at this time as having been confident and "quietly authoritative", while often aloof in his manner


Don't conflate the man with the persona presented by his songs, which was all I was talking about


One of the heroes of flight 93, one of the passengers who took down the plane in a field before terrorists could crash it into something else, was Mark Bingham, a star rugby player at University of California, Berkeley. He was 6' 4" and 225 lbs. Bingham also just happened to be gay.

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Thanks for that, John, but at no point have I suggested that anyone was gay, or that if they were there was anything wrong with it, or that, in fact, one can deduce anything at all from a person's sexuality other than who they like to fuck.
My problem with Nick Drake has nothing to do with his sexuality (about which I know nothing, and care less), just that when friends played me his music in the early 1970s (I certainly never listened to any of it since) I did not like it, and formed the opinion that while he was a nimble musician, his SONGS were self-referential and precious and not directed at me, while his whole image was one I found relentlessly bourgeois, over-delicate and childlike in a not-good way (pretty much my objections to prog, since I put it like that). This was the time of the acoustic singer-songwriter, and I didn't like any of them of them much, at least not the men. I liked Spector punk and balls-out rock and roll at the time, and the sound on their records was so fucking weedy. James Taylor? Tim Hardin? Tim Rose? Give it a fucking rest. If someone played me a Nick Drake record now, I couldn't pick it out of a line-up of similar fare, I'm sure, but generally, if I'm going to listen to a male voice and acoustic guitar, the songs are going to have to be really engaging, and his weren't.
Whereas Arthur and Syd (anyone care what their sexuality was? - I certainly don't give a shit), at more or less the same time, made records that had something at least to do with rock & roll; they excited and intrigued me, and I continued to listen to well into my 60s. So I voted for Arthur.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 07 May 2018, 18:17

gash on ignore wrote:
K wrote:Probably wasn't a "pansy" if Coan means "weak and wet"


K wrote:I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".


Are these your definitions of ‘pansy’? Seem a tad...homophobic?

That's because you're a fucking tit.

pansy noun (pansies)
1 any of various species of violet, native to Europe, which have flat flowers with five rounded white, yellow or purple petals
2. a soft bluish purple
3. offensive slang an effeminate man or boy
4. a male homosexual.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 18:22

K wrote:
gash on ignore wrote:
K wrote:Probably wasn't a "pansy" if Coan means "weak and wet"


K wrote:I was noting that's being a "pansy" (eg lacking strength of character) was at odds with being "quietly authoritative".


Are these your definitions of ‘pansy’? Seem a tad...homophobic?

That's because you're a fucking tit.

pansy noun (pansies)
1 any of various species of violet, native to Europe, which have flat flowers with five rounded white, yellow or purple petals
2. a soft bluish purple
3. offensive slang an effeminate man or boy
4. a male homosexual.
ETYMOLOGY: 15c: from French pensée thought.


So a male homosexual is characterised by a lack of strength of character, could be said to be weak and wet and can’t be quietly authoritative?

Or, in your view are those terms synonymous with effeminacy?
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 07 May 2018, 18:25

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 18:28

sloopjohnc wrote:you can't judge a book by its cover.


Even this one?

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby Pansy Puff » 07 May 2018, 18:28

gash on ignore wrote:
K wrote:
gash on ignore wrote:


Are these your definitions of ‘pansy’? Seem a tad...homophobic?

That's because you're a fucking tit.

pansy noun (pansies)
1 any of various species of violet, native to Europe, which have flat flowers with five rounded white, yellow or purple petals
2. a soft bluish purple
3. offensive slang an effeminate man or boy
4. a male homosexual.
ETYMOLOGY: 15c: from French pensée thought.


So a male homosexual is characterised by a lack of strength of character, could be said to be weak and wet and can’t be quietly authoritative?

Or, in your view are those terms synonymous with effeminacy?

Not my words, Carol, the words of Chambers dictionary

effeminate (adj)
1. Womanish
2. Unmanly
3. Weak
4. Soft
5. Voluptuous
6. Feminine (Shakespeare)


Perhaps you'd be better off asking which definition of "pansy" Coan meant. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was "effeminate" even though he said Drake was a "puff". I assumed that was a joke.
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 18:29

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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby gash on ignore » 07 May 2018, 18:31

K wrote:
gash on ignore wrote:
K wrote:That's because you're a fucking tit.



So a male homosexual is characterised by a lack of strength of character, could be said to be weak and wet and can’t be quietly authoritative?

Or, in your view are those terms synonymous with effeminacy?

Not my words, Carol, the words of Chambers dictionary

effeminate (adj)
1. Womanish
2. Unmanly
3. Weak
4. Soft
5. Voluptuous
6. Feminine (Shakespeare)


Perhaps you'd be better off asking which definition of "pansy" Coan meant. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was "effeminate" even though he said Drake was a "puff". I assumed that was a joke.


Ah, you’re a misogynist and a homophobe. Nice combination.

Did you react like this to Fartpants?
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Re: Arthur Lee v Nick Drake v Syd Barrett

Postby jimboo » 07 May 2018, 18:34

Drake couldn't half play guitar , I enjoy him in small doses. Syd is highly rated round here but it's just the sound of Edward Lear after too many sherbets . Arthur hits the most highs and truly made some great music.
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