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Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 11:36
by Rayge
K wrote:Jesus fucking Christ what kind of world is it where people prefer the Whole of the Fucking Moon to September Gurls? Some fucking idiocy going on. Obviously it is Big Star. Listen to the Bear: the Waterboys are shit.
...and you were doing so well, too
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 11:46
by naughty boy
canon vs teenage love, really, isn't it?
OK OK not for ALL of us - but a significant number
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 13:51
by echolalia
I like TwotM but it’s never really convinced me. I’ve always heard it as a song about friendship and it has associations in that respect for me – “I wandered out in the world for years, you just stayed in your room.” But the last verse descends into sub-Dylanesque ramblings and it takes a fuck of a long time to go away. And that bing-bong descending-the-scale bit… no thanks.
Whereas, Gurls rings true right from that first note on the bass right down to the bottom of its rock n roll heart every single time. It introduces itself and knows exactly how and when to leave, and in between it absolutely fucking soars. So, September Gurls for me.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 01:10
by The Modernist
K wrote:Jesus fucking Christ what kind of world is it where people prefer the Whole of the Fucking Moon to September Gurls? Some fucking idiocy going on. Obviously it is Big Star. Listen to the Bear: the Waterboys are shit.
According to the crit rock orthodoxy - "Big Star are good for you, they invented REM and no one listened to them at the time!".
As it goes "September Gurls" does win this one, being one of Big Star's breeziest, most charming efforts. But there are certainly Waterboys songs I'd take above it: some more obscure album tracks, others more famous ('Fisherman Blues'), just not TWotM.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 04:11
by trans-chigley express
The Whole of the Moon is the correct answer to most polls
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 07:04
by fange
I'll be honest - as much as i love 'SG', my heart says 'TWoTM' wins this one. The second half of it especially, as a song and a piece of songwriting, is pretty damn brilliant.
I spoke about wings, you just flew
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 08:36
by naughty boy
Excellent!
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 09:08
by yomptepi
It is crass , overblown and obvious. And as boring as hell. What is wrong with you people.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 10:40
by trans-chigley express
yomptepi wrote:It is crass , overblown and obvious.
But that's enough about you, what about
The Whole of the Moon?
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 10:42
by fange
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 11:53
by Penk!
trans-chigley express wrote:yomptepi wrote:It is crass , overblown and obvious.
But that's enough about you, what about
The Whole of the Moon?
Talk about setting yourself up!
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:06
by yomptepi
PENK wrote:trans-chigley express wrote:yomptepi wrote:It is crass , overblown and obvious.
But that's enough about you, what about
The Whole of the Moon?
Talk about setting yourself up!
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:04
by Bent Fabric
I really do expect some sort of reward for sitting through the whole of that song.
And, yet - however deeply unappealing I may find it, there is no question that it/them resonates with a hell of a lot of people.
If you love it, may you never hear it through my ears.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:27
by The Modernist
Bent Fabric wrote:I really do expect some sort of reward for sitting through the whole of that song.
And, yet - however deeply unappealing I may find it, there is no question that it/them resonates with a hell of a lot of people.
If you love it, may you never hear it through my ears.
That's enough about
September Gurls, what did you think about
The Whole of the Moon?
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:45
by Davey the Fat Boy
This discussion is clearly happening in the universe where David Cassidy’s version of “How Can I Be Sure” is better than the Rascals.
Not sure what people breathe in this universe. We’re in alien territory
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:00
by Count Machuki
I'm hearing TWotM for the first time right now.
It sounds VERY 1985 so far...that's a problem.
Dude's making the most of his limited vocal ability...
They must be building up to something.
Oh dear, there's a horn chart.
What's with that backing vocal? It's nothing to do with the rest of the song.
Oh, no, this isn't for me at all.
It's going to wrap up soon, right? Nope, there's still two minutes to go.
Suddenly there's a saxophone.
I like that there's no fade out.
In conclusion, and based on one listen vs. hundreds of listens...SG by the length of the sea.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:09
by The Modernist
Mike Scott's got a pretty strong voice actually, I wouldn't call it limited at all.
I can see both sides here though. There was a time I found it incredibly stirring and anthemic, then it just stopped working on me, I'd heard it too often probably. At that point it started to sound too thin and overdone. It's funny JC is so enthusiastic about it, when I remember he really slagged off 'December' when I posted it once, maybe that one's too subtle for him!
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:29
by fange
Bent Fabric wrote:If you love it, may you never hear it through my ears.
If you don't love it, may you one day hear it through my ears.
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:41
by Davey the Fat Boy
If we’re all supposed to be tired of the brown music - how long can we be tolerant of the European varietal with its fiddles and horns and accordions, Liam?
I say...down with the green music!
Re: SG vs TWotM
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:51
by Bent Fabric
Count Machuki wrote:I'm hearing TWotM for the first time right now.
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It's some sort of march, I think.
