Which Absolute Beginners?

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby The Modernist » 13 Feb 2018, 15:08

Well you insulted him a little bit yourself.

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 13 Feb 2018, 15:13

How civil should someone be to a poster who says he could batter the fuck out of them?
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Pansy Puff » 13 Feb 2018, 15:19

The Modernist wrote:Well you insulted him a little bit yourself.

What goes around comes around.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Feb 2018, 15:20

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 13 Feb 2018, 15:25

Diamond Dog wrote:Fancy answering the question then?


It's all there in my first post on this thread. Read it again if you like, matey

If you want to get into semantics find another soulless pedant.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 13 Feb 2018, 15:26

Goat Boy wrote:Image


:lol:

I fucking love that!
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Feb 2018, 15:51

OCT wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Fancy answering the question then?


It's all there in my first post on this thread. Read it again if you like, matey

If you want to get into semantics find another soulless pedant.



So it's the bombast and over-powering theatrics of the music?


See, wasn't so difficult was it?

Absolutely no idea what that has to do with 'over reaching chord changes' but, well, each their own.

Shall we move on now?
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 13 Feb 2018, 16:42

Diamond Dog wrote:
OCT wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Fancy answering the question then?


It's all there in my first post on this thread. Read it again if you like, matey

If you want to get into semantics find another soulless pedant.



So it's the bombast and over-powering theatrics of the music?


See, wasn't so difficult was it?


Wasn't so difficult to what? read something again?

Aren't you ashamed that everyone else on the board apart from you and Hodgson understood it the first time around?


Diamond Dog wrote:Absolutely no idea what that has to do with 'over reaching chord changes' but, well, each their own.


I think you've already made it abundantly clear that you're a bit dense - why make people dwell on your confusion?
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Rayge » 13 Feb 2018, 16:47

OCT wrote:If you want to get into semantics find another soulless pedant.


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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Feb 2018, 16:59

:lol: :lol:

Oh dear John.

Oh dear indeed.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Pansy Puff » 13 Feb 2018, 17:03

If I say "overreaching chord change" someone will assume I know what I mean.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Darkness_Fish » 13 Feb 2018, 17:04

This is making the threadcrapping thread seem less embarrassing.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 13 Feb 2018, 17:11

Diamond Dog wrote::lol: :lol:

Oh dear John.

Oh dear indeed.

:lol: :lol:



Want to answer my questions, Pete?

Want an 'adult debate'?

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby The Modernist » 13 Feb 2018, 17:14

I can't believe Ranking Ted started such a divisive thread. He must've known this would happen -he's the biggest troll of them all!

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Pansy Puff » 13 Feb 2018, 17:52

OCT wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote::lol: :lol:

Oh dear John.

Oh dear indeed.

:lol: :lol:



Want to answer my questions, Pete?

Want an 'adult debate'?

:lol: :lol:

John. I'll answer like this, because I really like Absolute Beginners and it's a song worth talking about. There are no overreaching chord changes in the song. There is an interesting melody. that jumps around the scale, and the chord changes match that well. He doesn't seem to reach for anything with his chord changes and therefore doesn't overreach. I think I've realised now that you don't know the difference between the melody and the accompanying chords. T5D would be able to explain the relationship much better than I, but to my mind I think you are "impressed" by the semitone change from F# to G. A semitone change like that can sound quirky, sound odd, sound adventurous, but I'm not sure he's reaching for anything with that.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Belle Lettre » 13 Feb 2018, 18:05

The Modernist wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:I didn't understand the chords thing but I took it more to mean that histrionic Bowie thing where he goes a bit over the top. See also: Wild is the Wind, which Coan hates.


Bingo.

Well then he meant overweening . We can move on!
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 13 Feb 2018, 18:06

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Feb 2018, 22:36

There's nothing contentious about saying Bowie's work (or this track in particular) is 'over wrought' 'bombastic' 'histrionic' etc etc and because of that it's over reaching. No issue with that at all.

The issue is the 'over reaching' comes entirely from the vocal performance and/or the arrangement - it has simply nothing to do with the 'chord changes' which, whilst not basic, are certainly not in any way structurally complex.

That's the only reason I asked the original question - which was, just for info :

Diamond Dog wrote:What exactly is an 'over reaching chord change'?


And then, when presented with the actual chord sequence :

Diamond Dog wrote:So which particular change are you saying is over reaching John?


Was because I genuinely thought I must be missing something here.... maybe there is some wondrously complicated chord change I'm not aware of, resulting in the song (from John's point of view) failing because of it.

Clearly though, that can't be the case - as no one has suggested there is a complex chord change, least of all John himself.

So now we all know what was said - and without all the vitriol for a perfectly sensible and genuine question- we hopefully can agree to move on ; fully in the knowledge there is no 'over reaching chord change' but there is (in John's view) an over reaching arrangement and/or vocal melody.

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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 13 Feb 2018, 22:50

Very well. We shall resume in an hour.
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Re: Which Absolute Beginners?

Postby WG Kaspar » 13 Feb 2018, 22:51

And it's not even a goid song
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