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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby yomptepi » 10 Dec 2017, 10:53

Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:And here's The Quietus' list of Top 100 albums, which has some crossover with The Wire.

The Quietus Albums Of The Year 2017
1: Richard Dawson - Peasant
2: Zimpel/Ziołek - Zimpel/Ziołek
3: Fever Ray - Plunge
4: The Moonlandingz - Interplanetary Class Classics
5: Nadine Shah - Holiday Destination
6: Kelela - Take Me Apart
7: James Holden & The Animal Spirits - The Animal Spirits
8: Princess Nokia - 1992
9: Lone Taxidermist - Trifle
10: Oxbow - Thin Black Duke
11: Liars - TFCF
12: Lotto - VV
13: Call Super - Arpo
14: Snapped Ankles - Come Play The Trees
15: Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs - Feed The Rats
16: Laura Cannell - Hunter Huntress Hawker
17: GNOD - Just Say No To The Psycho Right-Wing Capitalist Fascist Industrial Death Machine
18: Jane Weaver - Modern Kosmology
19: Circle - Terminal
20: Rûwâhîne - Ifriqiyya Electrique
21: Man Forever - Play What They Want
22: Madonnatron - Madonnatron
23: Endon - Through The Mirror
24: Algiers - The Underside Of Power
25: Justin Walter - Unseen Forces
26: BNNT - The Multiverse
27: $hit & $hine - Total Shit!
28: Nicole Mitchell - Mandorla Awakening II: Emerging Worlds
29: Vanishing - Vanishing
30: Vince Staples - Big Fish Theory
31: Björk - Utopia
32: Arca - Arca
33: Thurston Moore - Rock N Roll Consciousness
34: Re-TROS - Before The Applause
35: Jlin - Black Origami
36: Kemper Norton - Hungan
37: Chloe x Halle - The Two Of Us
38: The Granite Shore - Suspended Second
39: The Caretaker - Everywhere At The End Of Time - Stage 3
40: Teleplasmiste - Frequency Is The New Ecstasy
41: Botanist - Collective: The Shape Of He To Come
42: British Sea Power - Let The Dancers Inherit The Party
43: Al-Namrood - Enkar
44: LCD Soundsystem - American Dream
45: Visible Cloaks - Reassemblage
46: Perc - Bitter Music
47: Gazelle Twin - Kingdom Come
48: Gary Numan - Savage
49: Errorsmith - Superlative Fatigue
50: Alan Vega - IT
51: Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - The Kid
52: Deaf Kids - Configuração do Lamento
53: The Inward Circles - And Right Lines Limit And Close All Bodies
54: I, Ludicrous - Songs From The Sides Of Lorries
55: Japan Blues - Sells His Record Collection
56: Powertrip - Nightmare Logic
57: Riddlore - Afro Mutations
58: Chastity Belt - I Used To Spend So Much Time Alone
59: Godflesh - Post Self
60: Davy Kehoe - Short Passing Game
61: Total Leatherette - For The Climax Of The Night
62: Electric Wizard - Wizard Bloody Wizard
63: Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement - Ambient Black Magic
64: Colleen - A Flame My Love, A Frequency
65: J Hus - Common Sense
66: Unsane - Sterilize
67: Ryuichi Sakamoto - Async
68: SZA - Ctrl
69: Lee Gamble - Mnestic Pressure
70: MXLX - Kicking Away At The Decrepit Walls Til The Beautiful Sunshine Blisters Thru The Cracks
71: Siavash Amini - TAR
72: Yossarians - Fabric Of Time
73: UUUU - UUUU
74: Hey Colossus - The Guillotine
75: Sleaford Mods - English Tapas
76: Sote - Sacred Horror In Design
77: Laraaji - Bring On The Sun
78: Stormzy - Gang Signs & Prayer
79: Laibach - Also Sprach Zarathustra
80: STILL - I
81: Targ - Bargou 08
82: Aquaserge - Laisse ça être
83: M.E.S.H. - Hesaitix
84: Part Chimp - IV
85: Daniel O'Sullivan - Veld
86: Mario Batkovic - Mario Batkovic
87: Wire - Silver/Lead
88: Laurel Halo - Dust
89: MHYSA - Fantasii
90: King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Murder Of The Universe
91: Hannah Peel - Mary Casio: Journey To Cassiopeia
92: Here Lies Man - Here Lies Man
93: Mogwai - Every Country's Sun
94; Actress - AZD
95: Rose Dougall - Stellular
96: Simon Fisher Turner - Giraffe
97: Cardi B - Gangsta Bitch Music, Vol. 2
98: Akatombo - Short Fuse
99: The Bug Vs Earth - Concrete Desert
100: Tetragrammacide - Primal Incinerators Of Moral Matrix


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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Ghost of Harry Smith » 11 Dec 2017, 02:13

Yomp, with respect that's a fucking stupid thing to think. Whether you like this music or not it should be fairly clear that these are mostly niche records by obscure bands on small labels. They're not moving mass units. They're not wasting resources making product that sit in boxes in warehouses, only to get destroyed later on. They're not making this music to make money, they're making it because they have have to/need to.

Whether you want to hear it or not, that's a different story, and frankly i don't want to hear all of it but I'm not arrogant enough to think that me not hearing it is some kind of statement on the quality of this music. I'm glad these people are making sounds that mean something to them, that have nothing to do with scale of audience interest and likely sales. It's the very opposite of landfill.

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Dec 2017, 07:51

A rare voice of reason. Pointless remastered box sets of albums you already own twice are landfill. Bands recording albums you haven't heard (the very cheek of it!) is not in itself offensively wasteful.
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby KeithPratt » 11 Dec 2017, 09:52

50% of that is landfill though.

I mean, there's a lot of dreck there - a lot of it self-indulgent nonsense that people want to inflict on us just because they have the ability to.

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Dec 2017, 09:55

Well, a lot of it doesn't interest me, either, but how are you judging which are self-indulgent, when you've probably not heard 90% of that?
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby ChrisB » 11 Dec 2017, 10:02

Darkness_Fish wrote:1. Chino Amobi - Paradiso
2. Richard Dawson - Peasant
3. Klein - Tommy
4. Jlin - Black Origami
5. Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - The Kid
6. Jana Rush - Pariah
7. Joshua Abrams & Natural Information Society - Simultonality
8. Pan Daijing - Lack
9. Jamie Branch - Fly or Die
10. Circuit Des Yeux - Reaching for Indigo
11. Actress - AZD
12. Nadah El Shazly - Ahwar
13. Ryuchi Sakamoto - async
14. Felicia Atkinson - Hand in Hand
15. Bill Orcutt - Bill Orcutt

I made it a top 15, as I'd actually heard of most of 11-15. The number one is usually reliable in at least being interesting, but it seems to have failed this year in that respect. Richard Dawson appears to be the only constant across most magazine's top releases lists. Otherwise, that's a whole load of never heard of from me.


Apart from Richard Dawson, I couldn't tell which were the artists and which were the album titles :(

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby KeithPratt » 11 Dec 2017, 10:08

Darkness_Fish wrote:Well, a lot of it doesn't interest me, either, but how are you judging which are self-indulgent, when you've probably not heard 90% of that?


I've heard all of the Wire Top 15 and I'd say about 60% of it was self-indulgent. I'm struggling to see any worth in the Chino Amobi album to be honest. The Wire's editorial stance means that it can do stuff like this because it attracts a reader base that wants to be radically different from the normal - "hey I'm into weird, experimental music HONEST" - it's a badge of honour for people under the age of 40 as it's a part of their identity to stand out. But the fact is that most of these albums won't be standing up in 5 years time. The Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith, Sakamoto and a couple of others were very good, but a lot of it was self-indulgent, rhythmic excursions that offer nothing as albums.
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby KeithPratt » 11 Dec 2017, 10:26

I mean, have you actually heard the Tetragrammacide album? People were doing this sort of thing 30 years ago, and much better.

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Dec 2017, 10:35

Toby wrote:
Darkness_Fish wrote:Well, a lot of it doesn't interest me, either, but how are you judging which are self-indulgent, when you've probably not heard 90% of that?


I've heard all of the Wire Top 15 and I'd say about 60% of it was self-indulgent. I'm struggling to see any worth in the Chino Amobi album to be honest. The Wire's editorial stance means that it can do stuff like this because it attracts a reader base that wants to be radically different from the normal - "hey I'm into weird, experimental music HONEST".

That's just bollocks though. The Wire's readership is generally (I would have thought, I've done just as much surveying on this as you) just people with a wide-range of taste that wants to hear stuff that's outside the mainstream. I'm a 42 year old bloke with a family and a dull job in software development, I've no interest in trying to appear radically different, I just like music that tries to do something different. I mean, when Robert Wyatt regularly topped the end of year lists, were they trying to be radically the same? No, it was just good music, regardless of who made it, and it was different from the majority of mainstream/indie consensus which is offering nothing to me.

I don't care for that Chino Amobi album either, but I'm also not transferring my prejudices onto its listeners, just because it doesn't appeal to me. The absolute worst form of music criticism is "I don't like this, therefore the problem is with those who do."
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Dec 2017, 10:38

Toby wrote:I mean, have you actually heard the Tetragrammacide album? People were doing this sort of thing 30 years ago, and much better.

Nope, never even heard of it. But if doing stuff as if it was made 30 years ago is the main problem, the solution is hardly with Mojo/Uncut/whatever else, is it? Where else is the forward-looking music coming from?
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby KeithPratt » 11 Dec 2017, 10:39

Oh I'm joshing a bit. I like the Wire in general and am good friends with the editor. I just think that all magazines shape their editorial policy to suit their readers - not the other way around. And this is no different here. It is situated outside the mainstream, but there's enough in the Top 15 to please the dance music spectrum of their readership - this was not the case 5 to 10 years ago or so.

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

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Post some clips so we can judge.
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby driftin » 11 Dec 2017, 12:59

One person's self-indulgent is another person's minimal and restrained.

The amount of tutting, outrage, scoffing, knee-jerking, and character judgment over some fucking music that simply isn't to your taste is terrible. Is this a forum or an echo chamber?

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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

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Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:Yomp, with respect


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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby KeithPratt » 11 Dec 2017, 20:20

driftin wrote:One person's self-indulgent is another person's minimal and restrained.

The amount of tutting, outrage, scoffing, knee-jerking, and character judgment over some fucking music that simply isn't to your taste is terrible. Is this a forum or an echo chamber?



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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

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I have 5 of those albums.
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Goat Boy » 11 Dec 2017, 20:32

Toby wrote:
driftin wrote:One person's self-indulgent is another person's minimal and restrained.

The amount of tutting, outrage, scoffing, knee-jerking, and character judgment over some fucking music that simply isn't to your taste is terrible. Is this a forum or an echo chamber?



Oh boo hoo - can't take a bit of someone disagreeing with you?


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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby jimboo » 11 Dec 2017, 20:37

More like Jacob Rees Mogg on juke box jury :roll:
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Re: The Wire's Top 15 of 2017

Postby Darkness_Fish » 11 Dec 2017, 20:41

More the other way round, given that driftin's arguing against the orthodox ultra-conservative fascist wing of BCB*.


Which makes it Juke Box Jury on Jacob Rees Mogg... :?


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