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Re: Bowie loses his cool

Postby Darkness_Fish » 01 Dec 2017, 09:28

kewl klive wrote:Sounds like Ricky Gervais.

In the intro to The Snowman, he's the spitting image of Gervais, and has all his Brentisms.

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Re: Bowie loses his cool

Postby The Modernist » 01 Dec 2017, 09:31

I'm lost. He's nothing like Brent. What are people talking about..?

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Postby never/ever » 01 Dec 2017, 09:36

trans-chigley express wrote:This is 1978 so Dire Straits were a long way from Brothers in Arms but even so they were never anywhere close to be described as new wave. He'd probably just heard one song by them and liked it, or was taking the piss as Fange said.


It may have been the very dry way the guitars and drums sound on that very first Dire Straits-LP- it has that taunt quality that also runs through the early Talking Heads-inspired waveniks.
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Re: Bowie loses his cool

Postby Rayge » 01 Dec 2017, 09:56

The Unfragrant Ox wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:So...how exactly does labeling one’s music as “punk” limit you any more than labeling yourself “new wave”?


Yeah, that's what I thought too.

I suppose the label 'New Wave' covers more than 'punk', but that really wasn't what he was saying.


I think it was, because, over here at least, at that time, 'punk' was generally seen to be about a snotty attitude, gobbing, daft haircuts, razor guitars and the general ramalama, very much a constricting term stylistically, which is why New Wave and, later, post-punk, then indie were coined to cover those new bands who rode that wave of innovation, and particularly the growth of DIY recordings and the deconstruction of the British record industry, without sounding like the Pistols/early Clash/ early Damned.
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Re: Bowie loses his cool

Postby Deebank » 01 Dec 2017, 10:16

Dire Straits were seen as part of the pub rock scene weren't they? Early on I mean and they had that rough back to basics things going on.
And there was a certain amount of crossover between pub rock and punk (Stiff etc).
He'd been out of the country a while,I can see how he might have made that assumption.
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Postby The Beatles » 01 Dec 2017, 11:54

Dire Straits and Talking Heads toured together in the early days - they weren't really as far apart stylistically as you might think, as others have said.

I remember reading something about Knopfler being shocked that the Heads never changed their guitar strings.

I'm still looking for where he 'loses his cool' !!
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Postby gash on ignore » 01 Dec 2017, 11:57

Was he ever cool though? Cool suggests detachment, Bowie was all-in.
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Postby The Modernist » 01 Dec 2017, 12:04

I just meant Dire Straits wasn't a very cool name to drop.

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Postby gash on ignore » 01 Dec 2017, 12:05

Gotcha.
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Postby The Modernist » 01 Dec 2017, 12:08

The Unfragrant Ox wrote:Dire Straits and Talking Heads toured together in the early days - they weren't really as far apart stylistically as you might think, as others have said.


I don't think that's true. Hendrix and The Monkees toured together, it doesn't mean they sounded alike.
Dire Straits had a rootsy Americana sound endebted to acts like Little Feat. I can't see how that sounds anything like Talking Heads.

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Postby gash on ignore » 01 Dec 2017, 12:10

He was namedropping SSS and BAD in the 80s, the dude had mad skills.
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Postby The Beatles » 01 Dec 2017, 12:13

The Modernist wrote:I just meant Dire Straits wasn't a very cool name to drop.


oh I SEE!

sorry - I thought you meant he lost his temper...

Yeah, they were never really cool, I suppose.

I remember in the late 80s he was wanking on about Pixies and Sonic Youth. I think most people had turned away by then.
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Postby Hugh » 01 Dec 2017, 14:11

The first time I saw Dire Straits on OGWT I thought they had a bit of a Television thing going on. But it seems equally likely that he is thinking of another band

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Postby Hightea » 01 Dec 2017, 14:45

Makes sense to me. Talking heads and other new wave bands at the time where more interesting than the straight up punk bands. Bowie just been cool like he always is. DOn't get the Dire Straits comment must be a british thing.

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Postby Geezee » 01 Dec 2017, 16:08

The Unfragrant Ox wrote:
I remember in the late 80s he was wanking on about Pixies and Sonic Youth. I think most people had turned away by then.


I don't think that's quite accurate, or at least that if he was still championing them "late" he had also done so "early" - he was always a huge record fan to start with and was generally speaking pretty early in championing his favourite acts, including everything from owning some VU pressing before their first album was even released (I think he'd even recorded a cover version by then?), to the Stooges...and of course being hugely into obscure krautrock before pretty much anyone knew what that was. Don't know exactly when he started championing Pixies but I'm pretty sure it was very early on (may even have been Surfer Rosa), and with Sonic Youth I'm pretty sure he was there (with Iggy Pop) right from the very first EP.
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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 01 Dec 2017, 17:46

He's winding them up, isn't he?
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Postby Deebank » 01 Dec 2017, 17:49

German Dave wrote:He's winding them up, isn't he?


In 1978 when no fucker had heard of Dire Straits?

No.
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Postby Moleskin » 01 Dec 2017, 18:03

Yeah, I don't think Dire Straits were the last word in boring when they started out. I think they grew into it.
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Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 01 Dec 2017, 18:22

Deebank wrote:
German Dave wrote:He's winding them up, isn't he?


In 1978 when no fucker had heard of Dire Straits?

No.


Hmmm. There's a wry smile almost immediately after which he persists with as he claims that music isn't important to him and that he's into half-baked philosophy.

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Re: Bowie loses his cool

Postby sloopjohnc » 01 Dec 2017, 18:56

The Unfragrant Ox wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:So...how exactly does labeling one’s music as “punk” limit you any more than labeling yourself “new wave”?


Yeah, that's what I thought too.

I suppose the label 'New Wave' covers more than 'punk', but that really wasn't what he was saying.


I think new wave is more an umbrella than just holding up a stick to cover punk.
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