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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Still Baron » 22 Nov 2017, 17:14

It’s only moderately more defensible than arguing about which super bowl advertisement is “best.”
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby WG Kaspar » 22 Nov 2017, 17:41

I'm with Moddie on this one.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby The Modernist » 22 Nov 2017, 17:44

Still Baron wrote:
*fun and open field* wrote:But you like album cover art, don't you?


Sure, but it is all rather vulgar marketing.


Rubbish, it's an important part of it. Nothing "vulgar" about it.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Sneelock » 22 Nov 2017, 17:49

Still Baron wrote:It’s only moderately more defensible than arguing about which super bowl advertisement is “best.”


this is a fair argument but I think maybe it makes OUR point better than yours. I mean, those things are designed to make you remember them. when you think back to Superbowls past, you might think of the chimp with the monkeywrench before you remember who won the game.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Still Baron » 22 Nov 2017, 17:51

The Modernist wrote:
Still Baron wrote:
*fun and open field* wrote:But you like album cover art, don't you?


Sure, but it is all rather vulgar marketing.


Rubbish, it's an important part of it. Nothing "vulgar" about it.


An important part of a pop record.

Let’s be honest with ourselves, we’re fetushizing mass-marketed product. I love it, and I’m ok with that. But it seems to make some uncomfortable.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Rayge » 22 Nov 2017, 17:51

*fun and open field* wrote:But you like album cover art, don't you?

THAT was what it was about??? like Baron, I assumed it was the likening of the stooges debut to diplodocuses floundering in the tar pits of La Brea.

It was just a flip way of saying that I couldn't be bothered to choose.

So here's a considered answer.

First, I come to like the covers of my favourite records best; they represent the good times I associate with the records.
Generally, though, as someone who has gradually come to self-identify as a photographer, I tend to look at record sleeves differently these days. Rather than getting into the semiotics of what's on the front of the sleeve, the attempt to present visually what the band is/was about – which is what I dismissed as 'marketing' – and to decode and find INFORMATION, I tend to look at them as images, as things worth looking at for their own sake. I never really liked that early Elektra house style on the Stooges and Doors albums; to me it was just a coloured-in version of With the Beatles. And I can't say I like it much now. The Ramones, nah, fine and stark but I want something richer on my wall. The same kind of applies to The Clash, and orange and green is taking the clash theme too far. And then there's purple Joe and his moobs on the Smiths, so I'm not enthusiastic about any of them as images. ather than disappear down the least-bad rabbit-hole, let's go back to the previous paragraph.
So the answer to your question in the original post is no.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby toomanyhatz » 22 Nov 2017, 17:56

The Doors it is, ever-so-slightly over the Stooges.

The Clash has the best cover, of course.

I like the Ramones debut a lot, but it's out of its league here.

I will spare you the usual anti-Smiths rant other than to say that it's the only one that is not under consideration at all.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby The Modernist » 22 Nov 2017, 17:57

Still Baron wrote:
An important part of a pop record.

Let’s be honest with ourselves, we’re fetushizing mass-marketed product. I love it, and I’m ok with that. But it seems to make some uncomfortable.


Whether something is mass-market or been produced by a starving artist in a garret has never really concerned me. It's the visual appeal and power that interests me.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Still Baron » 22 Nov 2017, 17:58

toomanyhatz wrote:The Doors it is, ever-so-slightly over the Stooges.

.....

I like the Ramones debut a lot, but it's out of its league here.


Exactly wrong in every respect.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby The Modernist » 22 Nov 2017, 17:59

The Stooges photo is basically copying all those hard faced Stones photos really.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

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The Modernist wrote:
Still Baron wrote:
An important part of a pop record.

Let’s be honest with ourselves, we’re fetushizing mass-marketed product. I love it, and I’m ok with that. But it seems to make some uncomfortable.


Whether something is mass-market or been produced by a starving artist in a garret has never really concerned me. It's the visual appeal and power that interests me.


Exactly like a television advertisement!
Some are quite interesting on their own terms, you’ll have to admit!
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 22 Nov 2017, 18:00

Still Baron wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:The Doors it is, ever-so-slightly over the Stooges.

.....

I like the Ramones debut a lot, but it's out of its league here.


Exactly wrong in every respect.


I'm not even a massive Ramones fan, and I still think it takes this one easily.
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby The Modernist » 22 Nov 2017, 18:06

Still Baron wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Still Baron wrote:
An important part of a pop record.

Let’s be honest with ourselves, we’re fetushizing mass-marketed product. I love it, and I’m ok with that. But it seems to make some uncomfortable.


Whether something is mass-market or been produced by a starving artist in a garret has never really concerned me. It's the visual appeal and power that interests me.


Exactly like a television advertisement!
Some are quite interesting on their own terms, you’ll have to admit!


This is a bit of high culture v low culture debate isn't it? I don''t think a piece of art has intrinsically more value for hanging on an art gallery wall than housing a record say. I mean these are old arguments..it's what pop art was challenging. Commercial art can be as great as classical art.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby !!VAPRANT!! » 22 Nov 2017, 18:08

The Modernist wrote:The Stooges photo is basically copying all those hard faced Stones photos really.


Not one bit.

But I’ve agreed with everything else you’ve said today, G. :)
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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby George P. Smackers » 22 Nov 2017, 21:08

Sneelock wrote:I always thought the stooges cover seemed like a Doors cop. well, at least Igg doesn't have an Ashton stuck in his eye.


And musically the Stooges and Iggy were supposedly influenced by the Doors and Jim Morrison.

A classic case of something terrible influencing something great.

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Ranking Ted » 22 Nov 2017, 21:08

1. The Clash 2.The Doors 3. Ramones 4.The Stooges 5. The Smiths

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby Ranking Ted » 22 Nov 2017, 21:13

Best sleeve is the Clash, I think, but dig the simplicity and iconic nature of the three American sleeves as well.

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Postby Count Machuki » 22 Nov 2017, 21:51

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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby fange » 23 Nov 2017, 00:23

Rock and Roll IS marketing!




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Re: five self-titled debut albums

Postby !!VAPRANT!! » 23 Nov 2017, 00:27

Some real shit been spouted here today.

Quite shocking, for educated people.
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