Robert Johnson - a third photo?

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby The Modernist » 13 Nov 2017, 17:02

Charlie O. wrote: But just as there doesn't seem to be any hard proof that it is Johnson, there also doesn't seem to be any hard proof that it isn't.



I wonder what a photo has to do to convince people it's authentic..?

Faking this photo would be very difficult and I doubt you'd be able to it to this standard.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby NMB » 13 Nov 2017, 17:03

The Modernist wrote:
Charlie O. wrote: But just as there doesn't seem to be any hard proof that it is Johnson, there also doesn't seem to be any hard proof that it isn't.



I wonder what a photo has to do to convince people it's authentic..?

Faking this photo would be very difficult and I doubt you'd be able to it to this standard.


It isn't necessarily fake, it's just a photo of someone else.
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby The Modernist » 13 Nov 2017, 17:04

NMB wrote:If you reverse the picture, which as well as moving "Shines"' watch onto his left wrist also moves his jacket buttons onto the right flap which seems more likely, it looks a lot less like the other photos of Johnson.


The third photo looks absolutely like Johnson to my eyes. Mind you there are people who can look at different photos of McCartney and claim they're different people.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Nov 2017, 17:08

NMB wrote:If you reverse the picture, which as well as moving "Shines"' watch onto his left wrist also moves his jacket buttons onto the right flap which seems more likely, it looks a lot less like the other photos of Johnson.



Doesn't it also make RJ a left handed guitarist?!
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby NMB » 13 Nov 2017, 17:10

Diamond Dog wrote:
NMB wrote:If you reverse the picture, which as well as moving "Shines"' watch onto his left wrist also moves his jacket buttons onto the right flap which seems more likely, it looks a lot less like the other photos of Johnson.



Doesn't it also make RJ a left handed guitarist?!


No it makes whoever's in the picture left handed, or at least holding the guitar left handed.
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Thang-y » 13 Nov 2017, 17:16

NMB wrote:I wonder what a photo has to do to convince people it's authentic..?

Look less like a fake.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 13 Nov 2017, 17:17

A fake photograph?
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby The Modernist » 13 Nov 2017, 17:19

Harvey K-Tel wrote:A fake photograph?


Yeah, I'm not getting that either.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Thang-y » 13 Nov 2017, 17:20

I don't mind being wrong. All I'm saying is that to me the contents of the photo look modern. Which makes it a fake.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Nov 2017, 17:32

NMB wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
NMB wrote:If you reverse the picture, which as well as moving "Shines"' watch onto his left wrist also moves his jacket buttons onto the right flap which seems more likely, it looks a lot less like the other photos of Johnson.



Doesn't it also make RJ a left handed guitarist?!


No it makes whoever's in the picture left handed, or at least holding the guitar left handed.


Well that's what I bloody well meant! :D
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby NMB » 13 Nov 2017, 17:34

Thang-y wrote:
NMB wrote:I wonder what a photo has to do to convince people it's authentic..?

Look less like a fake.


Moddie said that, not me.
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Thang-y » 13 Nov 2017, 17:37

Oops, was going to reply to a few points but cut it down and so cut down the quote.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Tactful Cactus » 13 Nov 2017, 17:55

The hands are unusual. They're obviously really big (like Johnsons) but they look swollen. He's a slender man but the hand and fingers are really chunky. Not that that means anything, just another observation.

It should be much easier to identify whether its Johnny Shines, there's way more photos of him. If it is Shines then the odds of it being Johnson go up.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Thang-y » 13 Nov 2017, 18:04

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Nov 2017, 18:04

Surely some technical wizzkid on here can reverse that main photo?!
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Thang-y » 13 Nov 2017, 18:12

Many features of both guys do seem to be a good match, but the other guy in the photo doesn't have Shine's hairline, which is highly unusual and points in close to both eyebrows.

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Moleskin » 13 Nov 2017, 18:17

Here's hoping...

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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby T. Berry Shuffle » 13 Nov 2017, 18:32

If two people, Honeyboy Edwards and Robert Lockwood, who spent a good deal of time with Johnson and are recognized authorities on the man due to their relationship with him have both said they do not recognize the man holding the guitar as Robert Johnson then that's all the expert testimony that is needed I would say.
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 Nov 2017, 18:43

He doesn't even look like Johnson for me.
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Re: Robert Johnson - a third photo?

Postby Moleskin » 13 Nov 2017, 18:44

They didn't say it wasn't so much as failed to say it was. At least that's what I got from the article.
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