Best Album by The Jam

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In the City
1
3%
This is The Modern World
1
3%
All Mod Cons
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38%
Setting Sons
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28%
Sound Affects
7
24%
The Gift
1
3%
 
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Best Album by The Jam

Postby Moleskin » 09 Nov 2017, 13:09

While we're on the subject of the Jam, which of their LPs is best, do you think?
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:12

Choose sound affects, but just to mention, I think the gift is underrated.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby slightbreeze » 09 Nov 2017, 13:12

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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Moleskin » 09 Nov 2017, 13:13

For me it's Sound Affects. It seems quite experimental and modern for them, inspired by what was going on around them rather than looking backward. And frankly, it's the first one I heard, bought with Christmas money (I think) in winter 1980/81.

Should have broken up at that point really. The Gift is like a leaden, club-footed attempt at the Style Council, one or two songs aside.
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Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:17

Moleskin wrote:
The Gift is like a leaden, club-footed attempt at the Style Council, one or two songs aside.



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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Moleskin » 09 Nov 2017, 13:20

The Great Defector wrote:
Moleskin wrote:
The Gift is like a leaden, club-footed attempt at the Style Council, one or two songs aside.



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His idea was fine, but he was mistaken in thinking he could accomplish it with Buckler behind the kit.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby The Modernist » 09 Nov 2017, 13:21

All Mod Cons for me.

In order they go: All Mod Cons, Sound Effects, Setting Sons, The Gift, In The City, This is the Modern World.

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Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:22

Moleskin wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:
Moleskin wrote:
The Gift is like a leaden, club-footed attempt at the Style Council, one or two songs aside.



:(


His idea was fine, but he was mistaken in thinking he could accomplish it with Buckler behind the kit.



Aye, white was a better drummer in fairness, not that Buckler was shit or anything, just not as good.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Bent Fabric » 09 Nov 2017, 13:23

I'm hardly their biggest fan, but I really do love Sound Affects - as the peak of his entire 40+ enterprise, it does appear (to me) to stand out from the remainder by some distance (content, execution, effect).

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Postby Moleskin » 09 Nov 2017, 13:35

And by the bye, I think pretty highly of Snap! as a career overview. Single mixes in place where they differ from the album. plus some of the best album tracks. In many ways it's all you need.

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Postby Moleskin » 09 Nov 2017, 13:37

Bent Fabric wrote:I'm hardly their biggest fan, but I really do love Sound Affects - as the peak of his entire 40+ enterprise, it does appear (to me) to stand out from the remainder by some distance (content, execution, effect).


The only ones that come close (for me) are 22 Dreams and Wild Wood from his solo career, and Our Favourite Shop and Cafe Bleu from the Style Council years.
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Postby Rayge » 09 Nov 2017, 13:40

With the proviso that I always saw them as a singles band, I did buy all the albums up to Sound Affects; All Mod Cons stood out for me, with In the City second.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby NMB » 09 Nov 2017, 13:44

The Modernist wrote:All Mod Cons for me.

In order they go: All Mod Cons, Sound Effects, Setting Sons, The Gift, In The City, This is the Modern World.


Pretty much that, with a sizeable gap between All Mod Cons and the others.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby The Modernist » 09 Nov 2017, 13:44

On All Mod Cons v Sound Effects. The former is not as sonically inventive as the latter or have as much light and shade, but I'd say the songs are generally stronger. Can understand why some would go for the latter though.

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Re: Best Album by The Jam

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Rayge wrote:For me, Setting Sons represented a disjunct from the previous three albums, the one where Weller got self-conscious about his songwriting, and marked, in retrospect, the end of my interest in what he produced.


The only thing worse than a concept album is a failed concept album.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 09 Nov 2017, 14:30

All Mod Cons

Sound Affects

The Gift

(I again realize how good they were. The last UK band with a story to tell?

I exaggerate. The Specials and Massive Attack belong in there too. But there's not that many.)
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Robert » 09 Nov 2017, 14:48

Setting Sons for me then Sound Affects. The rest I like about equally but they are not as good as these two.

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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby Diamond Dog » 09 Nov 2017, 15:18

Rayge wrote:With the proviso that I always saw them as a singles band, I did buy all the albums up to Sound Affects; All Mod Cons stood out for me, with In the City second.
For me, Setting Sons represented a disjunct from the previous three albums, the one where Weller got self-conscious about his songwriting, and marked, in retrospect, the end of my interest in what he produced.


I've just played "Setting Sons" and it's obviously a progression from what proceeded it - but I think it works really well. Some of it does sound a tad 'forced' I agree, but overall it hangs together really well and has some tremendous tunes.
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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby echolalia » 09 Nov 2017, 15:40

Moleskin wrote:
Rayge wrote:For me, Setting Sons represented a disjunct from the previous three albums, the one where Weller got self-conscious about his songwriting, and marked, in retrospect, the end of my interest in what he produced.


The only thing worse than a concept album is a failed concept album.


Ooh a Jam thread! My bread and butter (sorry).

Sound Affects was concept-ish too, perhaps – the cover with its BBC radiophonic look, and the words to That’s Entertainment, which in the first lines are among the sounds you can “see” on the cover, while the rest of the song kind of encapsulates a mood you also find in Boy About Town, Monday, Man in the Corner Shop, Pretty Green... I reckon Weller started off trying to write a song containing only sound effects but the outer sounds set off other, inner resonances and voilà. Does anyone think he’s lying when he says he wrote it in ten minutes? "Yes, he wrote it in 5" doesn't count!

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Re: Best Album by The Jam

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Nov 2017, 16:17

They never made a totally satisfying album, but All Mod Cons and Setting Sons come about the closest. I went with the latter as I think the "sensitive stuff" like "English Rose" bogs down AMC a bit (yes, I know I'm usually one for the contrast of stuff like that). SS is by comparison more unrelenting.

I agree with Markus :o that The Gift is underrated. I remember thinking it was a good swan song, and hoping Weller would continue in that direction (which alas he didn't).

Honestly, it kind of comes down to personal taste. I can see a case for any of them, really, other than the "difficult second album."
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