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Postby Copehead » 26 Nov 2017, 18:35

jimboo wrote:I think gym memberships can erode your taste meter , discuss.


I think BCB does
Look at the drivel and dross we have by and large voted as the 100 best albums of the millennium
You should be embarrassed not aggressive
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Postby Ranking Ted » 26 Nov 2017, 18:50

The Libertines are fucking dreadful.

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Postby The Modernist » 26 Nov 2017, 19:04

Copehead wrote:But it is a genuinely dull top 100 in large parts and at least Up The Bracket isn't a dull album


It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.

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Postby PENK » 26 Nov 2017, 19:27

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PENK wrote:And that leaves Bowie. I love Bowie, his death saddened me... but this album was merely OK. He found his voice again after decades in the wilderness, but the ideas and songs were a mixed bag. I have to agree with those arguing that sentiment elevated it. And that's OK, in a way. Our feelings will always come into this and that's why it's things like Bowie, Radiohead and Kendrick Lamar that get the top spots.


I think Blackstar benefitted from your voting system. Nobody, but nobody, on here thinks it's the finest album of the last 17 years but many of us chucked it on our lists - probably when we were casting around for those final few records to make it up to the thirty - because it is very good and, yes, because of how it connected with us due to the circumstances of its release.


That's perhaps true but it did also get the most points of any album overall. Any voting system is going to have its flaws. If I'd gone by points first then that bloody Coil album would have been joint second!

Perhaps the old-school "rank them 1-30 and they get points in reverse order" might have worked but again, Coil...
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Re: BCB's Top 100 Albums of the 21st Century - And the winner is...

Postby jimboo » 26 Nov 2017, 19:34

Copehead wrote:
jimboo wrote:I think gym memberships can erode your taste meter , discuss.


I think BCB does
Look at the drivel and dross we have by and large voted as the 100 best albums of the millennium
You should be embarrassed not aggressive


The top 50 best sellers in the uk.
21 ADELE
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 BACK TO BEDLAM JAMES BLUNT
4 SPIRIT LEONA LEWIS
5 NO ANGEL DIDO
6 1 BEATLES
7 CRAZY LOVE
8 WHITE LADDER DAVID GRAY
9 THE FAME LADY GAGA
10 A RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD COLDPLAYE
11 LIFE FOR RENT DIDO
12 ONLY BY THE NIGHT KINGS OF LEON
13 BEAUTIFUL WORLD TAKE THAT
14 HOPES AND FEARS KEANE
15 SCISSOR SISTERS SCISSOR SISTERS
16 X&Y COLDPLAY
17 PARACHUTES COLDPLAY
18 COME AWAY WITH ME NORAH JONES
19 GOLD - GREATEST HITS ABBA
20 THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP EMINEM
21 SWING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
22 PROGRESS TAKE THAT
23 EYES OPEN SNOW PATROL
24 NEVER FORGET - THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TAKE THAT
25 GREATEST HITS ROBBIE WILLIAMS
26 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON
27 19 ADELE
28 CHRISTMAS MICHAEL BUBLE
29 ROCKFERRY DUFFY
30 THE CIRCUS TAKE THAT
31 SING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
32 OUR VERSION OF EVENTS EMELI SANDE
33 HOT FUSS KILLERS
34 AMERICAN IDIOT GREEN DAY
35 ESCAPOLOGY ROBBIE WILLIAMS
36 EMPLOYMENT KAISER CHIEFS
37 SONGS ABOUT JANE MAROON 5
38 BY THE WAY RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
39 X ED SHEERAN
40 STRIPPED CHRISTINA AGUILERA
41 JUSTIFIED JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
42 THE GREATEST HITS TEXAS
43 I DREAMED A DREAM SUSAN BOYLE
44 + ED SHEERAN
45 LOUD RIHANNA
46 GOOD GIRL GONE BAD RIHANNA
47 CALL OFF THE SEARCH KATIE MELUA
48 BORN TO DO IT CRAIG DAVID
49 UNBREAKABLE - THE GREATEST HITS - VOL 1 WEST LIFE
50 GREATEST HITS GUNS N' ROSES


I thought the BCB top ten was a little poor , to say the least. However , you can criticise the general taste of the BCB poll all you like and go to the O2 for an evenings entertainment if it is your thing. Looking at the peoples choice of music however means i will stick to the mighty Faust before Ed .
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Postby The Red Heifer » 26 Nov 2017, 20:05

I am by no means obscure in taste but fuck me that list is grim.
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Postby Goat Boy » 26 Nov 2017, 21:15

The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:But it is a genuinely dull top 100 in large parts and at least Up The Bracket isn't a dull album


It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.


The Nathan Barleys of the world loved it.

They were always shit.
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Postby Copehead » 26 Nov 2017, 23:58

The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:But it is a genuinely dull top 100 in large parts and at least Up The Bracket isn't a dull album


It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.


You say this as though it isn't regularly lionised in the musical press as one of the best albums of the period.
What you mean is you don't like it anymore, but yours isn't a widespread view outside of BCBthink really is it?
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Postby Copehead » 27 Nov 2017, 00:02

jimboo wrote:
Copehead wrote:
jimboo wrote:I think gym memberships can erode your taste meter , discuss.


I think BCB does
Look at the drivel and dross we have by and large voted as the 100 best albums of the millennium
You should be embarrassed not aggressive


The top 50 best sellers in the uk.
21 ADELE
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 BACK TO BEDLAM JAMES BLUNT
4 SPIRIT LEONA LEWIS
5 NO ANGEL DIDO
6 1 BEATLES
7 CRAZY LOVE
8 WHITE LADDER DAVID GRAY
9 THE FAME LADY GAGA
10 A RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD COLDPLAYE
11 LIFE FOR RENT DIDO
12 ONLY BY THE NIGHT KINGS OF LEON
13 BEAUTIFUL WORLD TAKE THAT
14 HOPES AND FEARS KEANE
15 SCISSOR SISTERS SCISSOR SISTERS
16 X&Y COLDPLAY
17 PARACHUTES COLDPLAY
18 COME AWAY WITH ME NORAH JONES
19 GOLD - GREATEST HITS ABBA
20 THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP EMINEM
21 SWING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
22 PROGRESS TAKE THAT
23 EYES OPEN SNOW PATROL
24 NEVER FORGET - THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TAKE THAT
25 GREATEST HITS ROBBIE WILLIAMS
26 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON
27 19 ADELE
28 CHRISTMAS MICHAEL BUBLE
29 ROCKFERRY DUFFY
30 THE CIRCUS TAKE THAT
31 SING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
32 OUR VERSION OF EVENTS EMELI SANDE
33 HOT FUSS KILLERS
34 AMERICAN IDIOT GREEN DAY
35 ESCAPOLOGY ROBBIE WILLIAMS
36 EMPLOYMENT KAISER CHIEFS
37 SONGS ABOUT JANE MAROON 5
38 BY THE WAY RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
39 X ED SHEERAN
40 STRIPPED CHRISTINA AGUILERA
41 JUSTIFIED JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
42 THE GREATEST HITS TEXAS
43 I DREAMED A DREAM SUSAN BOYLE
44 + ED SHEERAN
45 LOUD RIHANNA
46 GOOD GIRL GONE BAD RIHANNA
47 CALL OFF THE SEARCH KATIE MELUA
48 BORN TO DO IT CRAIG DAVID
49 UNBREAKABLE - THE GREATEST HITS - VOL 1 WEST LIFE
50 GREATEST HITS GUNS N' ROSES


I thought the BCB top ten was a little poor , to say the least. However , you can criticise the general taste of the BCB poll all you like and go to the O2 for an evenings entertainment if it is your thing. Looking at the peoples choice of music however means i will stick to the mighty Faust before Ed .


That isn't great in parts but I'd take most of it over most of our list any day.
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Copehead wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:But it is a genuinely dull top 100 in large parts and at least Up The Bracket isn't a dull album


It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.


You say this as though it isn't regularly lionised in the musical press as one of the best albums of the period.
What you mean is you don't like it anymore, but yours isn't a widespread view outside of BCBthink really is it?


What do you mean any more..I saw through it at the time! And I'm not sure where you're getting this idea it's some kind of critical favourite. Who are these people who are still listening to The Libertines?

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Goat Boy wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:But it is a genuinely dull top 100 in large parts and at least Up The Bracket isn't a dull album


It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.


The Nathan Barleys of the world loved it.

They were always shit.


I love it when obvious Nathan Barleys get together to laugh at other people for being Nathan Barleys
The BCB list is Nathan Barley in 100 album format
But then Nathan Barleys aren't blessed with much self awareness.

The idea that Nathan Barley listens to The Libertines is risible, he obviously listens to Four Tet, The Fence Collective and God Speed You Black Emperor! like you and G.
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Postby Goat Boy » 27 Nov 2017, 00:07

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Postby Earl E. Eel » 27 Nov 2017, 00:10

- and that's as good as they got!
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Postby Goat Boy » 27 Nov 2017, 00:10

Chancers.
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Postby Copehead » 27 Nov 2017, 00:12

The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
It is very dull and I thought so at the time - hackneyed and derivative musical ideas, piss poor vocals, weak songwriting. I think it got a lot of undeserved media attention and hype at the time, but the longer distance people travel from that, the clearer it is that they weren't any cop.


You say this as though it isn't regularly lionised in the musical press as one of the best albums of the period.
What you mean is you don't like it anymore, but yours isn't a widespread view outside of BCBthink really is it?


What do you mean any more..I saw through it at the time! And I'm not sure where you're getting this idea it's some kind of critical favourite. Who are these people who are still listening to The Libertines?


Well it would be pretty worrying if you couldn't see through a fourth hand retread of the first Clash album.
But that still makes it better than most of the gash on that list including the number 1
If you go to any part of the non-specialist popular music press ( NME, Mojo, Q etc ) and find a poll of the greatest albums of the millennium or noughties as voted by musical worthies Up The Bracket will be there near the top of the list in every one, I'd lay my life savings on it.

Get out of the BCB bubble G, it isn't the real world, no one out there is buying the sort of crap that we are apparently listening to apart from you, Goat Boy and Tom Ravenscroft.
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Postby Copehead » 27 Nov 2017, 00:13

Darryl Strawberry wrote:
jimboo wrote:The top 50 best sellers in the uk. Ones I own in BOLD
1 21 ADELE
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 BACK TO BEDLAM JAMES BLUNT
4 SPIRIT LEONA LEWIS
5 NO ANGEL DIDO
6 1 BEATLES
7 CRAZY LOVE
8 WHITE LADDER DAVID GRAY
9 THE FAME LADY GAGA
10 A RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD COLDPLAYE
11 LIFE FOR RENT DIDO
12 ONLY BY THE NIGHT KINGS OF LEON
13 BEAUTIFUL WORLD TAKE THAT
14 HOPES AND FEARS KEANE
15 SCISSOR SISTERS SCISSOR SISTERS
16 X&Y COLDPLAY
17 PARACHUTES COLDPLAY
18 COME AWAY WITH ME NORAH JONES
19 GOLD - GREATEST HITS ABBA
20 THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP EMINEM
21 SWING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
22 PROGRESS TAKE THAT
23 EYES OPEN SNOW PATROL
24 NEVER FORGET - THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TAKE THAT
25 GREATEST HITS ROBBIE WILLIAMS
26 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON
27 19 ADELE
28 CHRISTMAS MICHAEL BUBLE
29 ROCKFERRY DUFFY
30 THE CIRCUS TAKE THAT
31 SING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
32 OUR VERSION OF EVENTS EMELI SANDE
33 HOT FUSS KILLERS
34 AMERICAN IDIOT GREEN DAY
35 ESCAPOLOGY ROBBIE WILLIAMS
36 EMPLOYMENT KAISER CHIEFS
37 SONGS ABOUT JANE MAROON 5
38 BY THE WAY RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
39 X ED SHEERAN
40 STRIPPED CHRISTINA AGUILERA
41 JUSTIFIED JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
42 THE GREATEST HITS TEXAS
43 I DREAMED A DREAM SUSAN BOYLE
44 + ED SHEERAN
45 LOUD RIHANNA
46 GOOD GIRL GONE BAD RIHANNA
47 CALL OFF THE SEARCH KATIE MELUA
48 BORN TO DO IT CRAIG DAVID
49 UNBREAKABLE - THE GREATEST HITS - VOL 1 WEST LIFE
50 GREATEST HITS GUNS N' ROSES


Bloody hell, Copehead, you're right!


Of course I'm right.
Look at our list, would you rather listen to those 100 albums or stick a plastic bag over your head and asphyxiate yourself to avoid it?
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Postby The Modernist » 27 Nov 2017, 00:21

Copehead wrote:.

Get out of the BCB bubble G, it isn't the real world, no one out there is buying the sort of crap that we are apparently listening to apart from you, Goat Boy and Tom Ravenscroft.



I'm quite pleased to be called some cutting edge obscurantist. It makes me sound a lot more in touch than I actually am! :lol:

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Re: BCB's Top 100 Albums of the 21st Century - And the winner is...

Postby Hightea » 27 Nov 2017, 04:56

Copehead wrote:
Darryl Strawberry wrote:
jimboo wrote:The top 50 best sellers in the uk. Ones I own in BOLD
1 21 ADELE
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 BACK TO BEDLAM JAMES BLUNT
4 SPIRIT LEONA LEWIS
5 NO ANGEL DIDO
6 1 BEATLES
7 CRAZY LOVE
8 WHITE LADDER DAVID GRAY
9 THE FAME LADY GAGA
10 A RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD COLDPLAYE
11 LIFE FOR RENT DIDO
12 ONLY BY THE NIGHT KINGS OF LEON
13 BEAUTIFUL WORLD TAKE THAT
14 HOPES AND FEARS KEANE
15 SCISSOR SISTERS SCISSOR SISTERS
16 X&Y COLDPLAY
17 PARACHUTES COLDPLAY
18 COME AWAY WITH ME NORAH JONES
19 GOLD - GREATEST HITS ABBA
20 THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP EMINEM
21 SWING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
22 PROGRESS TAKE THAT
23 EYES OPEN SNOW PATROL
24 NEVER FORGET - THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TAKE THAT
25 GREATEST HITS ROBBIE WILLIAMS
26 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON
27 19 ADELE
28 CHRISTMAS MICHAEL BUBLE
29 ROCKFERRY DUFFY
30 THE CIRCUS TAKE THAT
31 SING WHEN YOU'RE WINNING ROBBIE WILLIAMS
32 OUR VERSION OF EVENTS EMELI SANDE
33 HOT FUSS KILLERS
34 AMERICAN IDIOT GREEN DAY
35 ESCAPOLOGY ROBBIE WILLIAMS
36 EMPLOYMENT KAISER CHIEFS
37 SONGS ABOUT JANE MAROON 5
38 BY THE WAY RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
39 X ED SHEERAN
40 STRIPPED CHRISTINA AGUILERA
41 JUSTIFIED JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
42 THE GREATEST HITS TEXAS
43 I DREAMED A DREAM SUSAN BOYLE
44 + ED SHEERAN
45 LOUD RIHANNA
46 GOOD GIRL GONE BAD RIHANNA
47 CALL OFF THE SEARCH KATIE MELUA
48 BORN TO DO IT CRAIG DAVID
49 UNBREAKABLE - THE GREATEST HITS - VOL 1 WEST LIFE
50 GREATEST HITS GUNS N' ROSES


Bloody hell, Copehead, you're right!


Of course I'm right.
Look at our list, would you rather listen to those 100 albums or stick a plastic bag over your head and asphyxiate yourself to avoid it?


I'll take our list over this crappy list any day of the week and I've got plenty of problems with our list.

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Postby toomanyhatz » 27 Nov 2017, 07:15

I'd take the Beatles and Abba and maybe a couple of others from that list. Otherwise I am in the unusual position of agreeing with Hightea here. Our list at least offers a pleasant surprise or two.
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Postby Butch Manly » 27 Nov 2017, 08:06

PENK wrote:
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PENK wrote:And that leaves Bowie. I love Bowie, his death saddened me... but this album was merely OK. He found his voice again after decades in the wilderness, but the ideas and songs were a mixed bag. I have to agree with those arguing that sentiment elevated it. And that's OK, in a way. Our feelings will always come into this and that's why it's things like Bowie, Radiohead and Kendrick Lamar that get the top spots.


I think Blackstar benefitted from your voting system. Nobody, but nobody, on here thinks it's the finest album of the last 17 years but many of us chucked it on our lists - probably when we were casting around for those final few records to make it up to the thirty - because it is very good and, yes, because of how it connected with us due to the circumstances of its release.


That's perhaps true but it did also get the most points of any album overall. Any voting system is going to have its flaws. If I'd gone by points first then that bloody Coil album would have been joint second!

Perhaps the old-school "rank them 1-30 and they get points in reverse order" might have worked but again, Coil...


No, I liked your system. Just trying to put the hand-wringing about Blackstar into some sort of context.

Who the fuck are Coil, by the way?
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