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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Ghost of Harry Smith » 07 Nov 2017, 05:05

Pool Hall Richard wrote:Bit disappointing.......only live, no studio recordings? Thats the issue for me.I bought the 6cd versions of the last 3, all were superb but this is not so essential. I may still get pulled in to getting the big set but if not 2cd will do and will get a download of the rest later on.


The consensus seems to be that his live band at this time with Jim Keltner etc. regularly played much better, more muscular versions of tracks that didn't always get their due in the studio so it's probably the most logical way to approach a Bootleg Series edition of this period. Not saying I'd listen to the lot myself, I'd much rather have a complete Blood on the Tracks and Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid.

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby HarryIrene » 08 Nov 2017, 13:23

Got the full 6cd version for my birthday and enjoying it immensely. I do have a fairly strong antipathy towards religious sentiment, but can always enjoy impassioned gospel, soul and country music, so this set is not a problem for me. Have always loved 'Slow Train Coming' in Bob's discography (the other 2 'christian' albums a bit less so) so hearing these powerful live performances really enhances my appreciation of that whole period. The live material is excellent and the band is superb across all the shows and tours. Great gospel backing singers and Dylan sounds really fired up vocally. A lot of the songs change markedly from version to version across the gigs with Dylan reworking the lyrics and melodies to great effect. The material from 'Saved' and 'Shot Of Love' is very strongly presented here and easily outshines the rather pallid studio versions. The boxed set is very listenable as you go from disc to disc and you do not feel fatigue from hearing the same songs done over and over on each cd. Bob and his band(s) seem to find new and fascinating ways to realise these songs across these tours and shows. For all the Christian sentiment supposedly on show, it is pretty sour stuff all in, with a lot of fire and brimstone and finger pointing from the main man. He does not sound like a man finding comfort in the arms of religion and a higher power; he sounds like a bitter preacher raining fury down on his congregation, warning them of their impending damnation. Blood and Fire!
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Darryl Strawberry » 08 Nov 2017, 15:05

In other words, he sounds like a genius.

Great little review, HarryIrene
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Walk In My Shadow » 08 Nov 2017, 16:09

HarryIrene wrote:Got the full 6cd version for my birthday and enjoying it immensely. I do have a fairly strong antipathy towards religious sentiment, but can always enjoy impassioned gospel, soul and country music, so this set is not a problem for me. Have always loved 'Slow Train Coming' in Bob's discography (the other 2 'christian' albums a bit less so) so hearing these powerful live performances really enhances my appreciation of that whole period. The live material is excellent and the band is superb across all the shows and tours. Great gospel backing singers and Dylan sounds really fired up vocally. A lot of the songs change markedly from version to version across the gigs with Dylan reworking the lyrics and melodies to great effect. The material from 'Saved' and 'Shot Of Love' is very strongly presented here and easily outshines the rather pallid studio versions. The boxed set is very listenable as you go from disc to disc and you do not feel fatigue from hearing the same songs done over and over on each cd. Bob and his band(s) seem to find new and fascinating ways to realise these songs across these tours and shows. For all the Christian sentiment supposedly on show, it is pretty sour stuff all in, with a lot of fire and brimstone and finger pointing from the main man. He does not sound like a man finding comfort in the arms of religion and a higher power; he sounds like a bitter preacher raining fury down on his congregation, warning them of their impending damnation. Blood and Fire!



Surely you mean the 8cd/1dvd version?

I'll make do with the 2cd version for the moment as the big box is on order since it's sold out everywhere.
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Matt Wilson » 08 Nov 2017, 16:57

It's not sold out.

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Postby andymacandy » 08 Nov 2017, 16:58

I like it.The message gets a bit wearing, but the performances are strong.
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Walk In My Shadow » 08 Nov 2017, 19:27

Matt Wilson wrote:It's not sold out.



Maybe in the US it isn't.


I now placed an order with Amazon Germany and they should've sent it two days ago.

But it still isn't on the way.
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Matt Wilson » 08 Nov 2017, 19:32

Well, when you say "everywhere..."

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Snarfyguy » 08 Nov 2017, 20:08

There's an encouraging piece here, featuring excerpts from Penn Jillette's liner notes: http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/mu ... 13-review/
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Sneelock » 08 Nov 2017, 21:00

well, anything that makes Penn Jillette admit a mistake is worth a look.
Me, my problem isn't so much with the religion as the presentation. one of my favorites in the series. so far, is the Rolling Thunder Review stuff. I like this style - like what Willie Nelson does - the crowds get the songs they want and the band gets to show off how good they can play.

this period of Bob's live stuff seems, in more ways than I'd like, an extension of that "Budokan" approach. I find the arrangements very schlocky and "Vegas" in a bad way.

well, if the scales fell from Jilette's eyes then maybe they'll fall from mine. I always liked "slow train coming" even though I thought some critics went a little overboard. Now I realize critics going overboard on Dylan is just part of their job.
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Pool Hall Richard » 08 Nov 2017, 21:42

I downloaded the bootleg, basically someone recorded and split the 80mins of music / 15 tracks that was streaming online, mainly as it features some of the studio tracks not on the 2cd version. Just to give it a listen and then decide which version to get. Being honest it will still be the 2cd version for now as price too high but if and when the 8cd version price drops next year, i'll spring for it. This'll do for now.

The rehearsal version of Every Grain of Sand is lovely, also like the Caribbean Wind with pedal steel. A great band and Bob on top form vocally as well.

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Postby echolalia » 08 Nov 2017, 22:40

That sounds interesting! Bootleg???

I’ve always thought Street Legal is Dylan’s best God album as he’s kind of searching/asking questions rather than giving answers like he does in his “official” religious phase.

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Sneelock » 08 Nov 2017, 23:55

Ghost of Harry Smith wrote:I'd much rather have a complete Blood on the Tracks and Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid.



Me too. I’m sure Columbia will get around to these. I’m also looking forward to “the Bootleg Series: Bob Dylan’s Outgoing Answering Machine Messages”
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Bent Fabric » 09 Nov 2017, 00:05

During what we now refer to as "the answering machine era", I can only imagine how efficient Dylan's message skipping technique was.

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Pool Hall Richard » 09 Nov 2017, 22:23

echolalia wrote:That sounds interesting! Bootleg???

I’ve always thought Street Legal is Dylan’s best God album as he’s kind of searching/asking questions rather than giving answers like he does in his “official” religious phase.


Google "Bob Dylan – Trouble No More: The Bootleg Series Vol. 13 1979-1981 (Sampler)"

Its the cd compilation of the main set they streamed online as a promo for the album a few weeks back. An enterprising fan must've recorded and uploaded the files.

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby echolalia » 09 Nov 2017, 22:40

Pool Hall Richard wrote:Google "Bob Dylan – Trouble No More: The Bootleg Series Vol. 13 1979-1981 (Sampler)"

Its the cd compilation of the main set they streamed online as a promo for the album a few weeks back. An enterprising fan must've recorded and uploaded the files.

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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby Muskrat » 10 Nov 2017, 23:02

This (and not just the quote) made me rethink the whole investment.

The apparent objective of the boxed set’s editorial maneuver is to represent Dylan’s brand of Christianity in a benign, benevolent light, by removing the music from the larger and highly problematic context of his apocalyptic beliefs. Nowhere is this strategy of decontextualization more obvious than in LeBeau’s film.

Anyone who has ever seen an uncut version of the 1980 Massey Hall show will almost certainly recall a nearly 10-minute Dylan spiel in which he surmised that Russia’s 1979 invasion of Afghanistan was a prefiguring of the final conflict between Christ and Satan at Armageddon. It is slightly demented, and you will not hear it here. (You can find it on YouTube, though.)
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Re: Dylan - Trouble No More - Bootleg Series Vol 13

Postby echolalia » 14 Nov 2017, 00:15

It sounds good in places (the sampler). Gotta Serve Somebody is much better than the album version and has a kind of Ann Peebles thing going on – it’s great. In fact there are bits where he should shut the … no there aren’t. Making a Liar Out of Me sounds like Where Are You Tonight mixed up with You Can’t Always Get What You Want. Caribbean Wind is fab! But then I’d rather hear Dylan sing about the weather than about God. There’s a nastiness in the words and there’s an unpleasant catch in his voice sometimes, as if he’s getting high on his own sanctimonious supply. Urgh.