OK, here's something that might be fun. Or maybe not. Either way, I think I want to do a series. Two members of a band that are focal points. Which do you prefer and why? Please elaborate as much or as little as you want.
Also open to suggestion for others. I WILL of course get to the super obvious ones - John vs. Paul, Mick vs. Keith, etc. But felt like starting with this one.
Yin vs. Yang #1 - Joe Strummer vs. Mick Jones
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Yin vs. Yang #1 - Joe Strummer vs. Mick Jones
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Strummer.
Also for his later work with The Mescaleros.
Also for his later work with The Mescaleros.
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Yeah Strummer for me too. Jones was a little too interested in the pop chart for my taste. Joe kept them tethered to tbe earth.
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I've never really had that much of a clear picture of Jones. I don't know what he stands for, really. Not sure what he wrote, either (or even what kinds of songs he wrote).
Not that arsed about Strummer with all his gobby half-baked rhetoric either but I'll vote for him here.
Not that arsed about Strummer with all his gobby half-baked rhetoric either but I'll vote for him here.
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Mick all the way. BAD we're great for the first 2 lps.
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Jumper K wrote:Mick all the way. BAD we're great for the first 2 lps.
Ditto.
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sloopjohnc wrote:Jumper K wrote:Mick all the way. BAD we're great for the first 2 lps.
Ditto.
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I honestly can't choose. I do get why people would automatically go for Joe because he embodies so much of what we identify with The Clash: passion, substance, a sense of righteous mission and energy. However, I also think that had it just been left to Joe, The Clash would have come across like angry hippies, shouting in a pub somewhere, like The Social Deviants or something. Not only did Jones bring a crucial musicality, but he bought a sense of swagger which elevated The Clash above the other angry punks. After all we got a chance to see what The Clash sans Jones were like and it weren't pretty.
It's a line I've used before on here, but The Clash were the only band I saw with three front men.
It's a line I've used before on here, but The Clash were the only band I saw with three front men.
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^This. (Other than the first and last lines.)
Left to his own devices, Strummer was an embarrassment. He spent most of his post-Clash life trying to convince all and sundry that he was still punk. He embodies what '77 was about, but as far as I'm concerned, very self-consciously. By contrast, Jones was upfront about wanting to be a star. He could have been in Badfinger just as easily. What's more punk? Making sure you had the regulation haircut and fashion sense, or not cutting your hair for the first two years in a band that was supposedly the face of the movement? I vote for the latter.
I'm not terribly interested in the music either did after the Clash (or in the case of Joe, in the latter days of it), but if I have to pick the one who made them stand out, it would have to be the one not playing by the rules.
Left to his own devices, Strummer was an embarrassment. He spent most of his post-Clash life trying to convince all and sundry that he was still punk. He embodies what '77 was about, but as far as I'm concerned, very self-consciously. By contrast, Jones was upfront about wanting to be a star. He could have been in Badfinger just as easily. What's more punk? Making sure you had the regulation haircut and fashion sense, or not cutting your hair for the first two years in a band that was supposedly the face of the movement? I vote for the latter.
I'm not terribly interested in the music either did after the Clash (or in the case of Joe, in the latter days of it), but if I have to pick the one who made them stand out, it would have to be the one not playing by the rules.
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Jumper K wrote:sloopjohnc wrote:Jumper K wrote:Mick all the way. BAD we're great for the first 2 lps.
Ditto.
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Ditto, ditto.
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I saw the 1984 version of the band without Jones. It was highly enjoyable in the moment... that's a hell of a repertoire, the ringers were good players, Strummer was pretty on... but it was also recognizably no longer the thing it had been.
Now admittedly I never saw a Strummer-less version of the Clash... Christ that would have been worse wouldn't it.
Now I feel I can't decide, but already voted for Mick.
Now admittedly I never saw a Strummer-less version of the Clash... Christ that would have been worse wouldn't it.
Now I feel I can't decide, but already voted for Mick.
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I’ve always preferred Mick Jones’ singing. Strummer often sounds a bit clotted. I’m listening to The Cost of Living just now and Groovy Times would have sounded so much better with Jones on the lead vocal – maybe that’s one example among many.