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John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 17:07
by naughty boy
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 17:14
by Darkness_Fish
It's a reasonable enough song. Just Nick Cave trying out some of his more convoluted chat-up lines on a piano.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 17:15
by Diamond Dog
I love it - I know it's like his "Stairway To Heaven" but, hell, I like it.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 17:49
by toomanyhatz
That video wouldn't play, but I found one. That kind of Cave-ism is a necessary balance to the Gothic stuff. That said, it's one of his lesser tender love songs. Still, hit for "what it tries to do."
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 18:27
by Fonz
Rubbish.
Trading on whatever 'cool' factor Cave might have.
If Elton John was performing that shit we wouldn't be having this 'conversation'.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 19:15
by Charlie O.
The only song I've heard by him that I like. Hit.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 19:27
by The Modernist
Fonz wrote:Rubbish.
Trading on whatever 'cool' factor Cave might have.
If Elton John was performing that shit we wouldn't be having this 'conversation'.
Well said.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 19:44
by naughty boy
I do think Cave has a way with a melody, and I think he can touch your heart in a way that you might not expect.
But this is weak and it is desperately dull. The vocal melody is the same fucking note for the first four bars! how can you defend that?
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 19:56
by Charlie O.
Doctor Ian Le wrote:The vocal melody is the same fucking note for the first four bars! how can you defend that?
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 20:08
by naughty boy
Short answer: there are interesting things happening underneath the vocal.
I might come back with a longer answer later. But I just think this is lazy Cave. He wrote a hymn, it's that bible thing again. He thinks it's noble, I suppose.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 22:52
by clive gash
I've never been one for yer Rock Poet and Cave, to me, seems so laboured and when he attempts solemnity a big sign above him flashes LOOK HOW PROFOUND I AM.
The Goff Morrissey.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 23:30
by Bent Fabric
It's far worse than I'd feared.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 00:26
by The Write Profile
Charlie O. wrote:The only song I've heard by him that I like. Hit.
That's surprising. You didn't like any of his Birthday Party material or his early, feral work with the Bad Seeds, or even his later work with Grinderman? I prefer Cave when he's at his most funny and fervent (in recent times, that's been on the
Dig! Lazarus Dig ! and most of the
Abattoir Blues/ The Lyre of Orpheus double). In contrast, I find this and much of the Boatman's Call somewhat ponderous and without any sense of lift-off. I know that's not what he was aiming for, and there are parts of this song that are quite affecting- the opening line in particular- but it's far from what I'd go if I wanted to listen to some Nick Cave. To be honest, I'm more inclined to play the Birthday Party or more recently, the first disc of the
Lovely Creatures anthology.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 03:43
by Loki
Doctor Ian Le wrote:this is weak and it is desperately dull. The vocal melody is the same fucking note for the first four bars! how can you defend that?
Thank you.
The extent of my familiarity with Cave is a couple of songs in the Cup, and I've yet to hear one that resonates remotely. This is shite. Plodding, dirge-like, his voice is terrible.....
"Stairway to Heaven"?!
If someone feels compelled to try to convince me.....but I doubt it can be done.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 03:58
by fange
He has done many much better songs than 'IMA'.
If 10 is hit and 0 is shit, this is a 3.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 04:34
by Diamond Dog
Loki wrote: This is shite. Plodding, dirge-like, his voice is terrible....."Stairway to Heaven"?!
For clarity, I meant in "most well known" and not in style.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 05:34
by trans-chigley express
Dreary. It wouldn't inspire me to listen to anything else by Nick Cave.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 06:50
by Loki
Diamond Dog wrote:Loki wrote: This is shite. Plodding, dirge-like, his voice is terrible....."Stairway to Heaven"?!
For clarity, I meant in "most well known" and not in style.
Copy that.
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 15 Jul 2017, 21:55
by The Modernist
This would have worked better if they'd thrown some garish over the top production - strings, choir, the works - at it halfway through. That's what Elvis would've done. But instead we're left with this lifeless statement of artistic self-importance.
SHIT!
Re: John Coan's SHIT OR HIT 13
Posted: 15 Jul 2017, 22:50
by Davey the Fat Boy
Really bad. It's a "singer-songwriter" vehicle for a guy who doesn't really sing or write songs.
I can't think of a successful piano ballad in which the lyrics sound less musical.