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Rank the Big 3 Sub Pop Grunge debuts

Postby pcqgod » 19 May 2017, 15:50

I rank them:

1. Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff
2. Soundgarden - Screaming Life
3. Nirvana - Bleach
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Postby Still Baron » 19 May 2017, 16:58

1. MUDHONEY
2. Nirvana
3. Soundgarden
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Postby Matt Wilson » 19 May 2017, 17:11

Still Baron wrote:1. MUDHONEY
2. Nirvana
3. Soundgarden


This

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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 19 May 2017, 17:11

Yep.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 May 2017, 17:13

Still Baron wrote:1. MUDHONEY
2. Nirvana
3. Soundgarden


Ditto.

At the time of their debuts, Mudhoney were the best of these three. I like Bleach and Nirvana came out swinging. Soundgarden, probably the most experienced of these bands needed time to find their sound. They didn't really solidify until Cameron and Shepherd nailed down the rhythm section.
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Postby Matt Wilson » 19 May 2017, 17:17

Soundgarden were just pretty good until Badmotorfinger, really.

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Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 19 May 2017, 17:25

I never skip an opportunity to plug them, and besides, it's the only decent thing this wretched label ever released anyway:

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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 May 2017, 18:38

Matt Wilson wrote:Soundgarden were just pretty good until Badmotorfinger, really.


Well, Ultraomega OK got a Grammy nomination so someone considered that better than "just pretty good." SST hired the producer for Ultra and Soundgarden thought that was a mistake - it sounds like a Black Flag album. But they were recognized early by the industry, if not masses.

They finally got big label resources when they signed to A&M and did Louder than Love. To metalheads, that was the breakout and Badmoterfinger was the culmination that led to MTV and the masses.

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Re: Rank the Big 3 Sub Pop Grunge debuts

Postby Matt Wilson » 19 May 2017, 19:34

I dunno John, I've got 'em all and only play Badmotorfinger and Superunknown any more.

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Postby bobzilla77 » 19 May 2017, 19:51

Matt Wilson wrote:
Still Baron wrote:1. MUDHONEY
2. Nirvana
3. Soundgarden


This


I think so too. Soundgarden are one of the few bands to come off SST OR Sub Pop who improved greatly on a major label. But Nirvana was one of the others. Mudhoney's debut EP really is their best moment although their post-2000 albums have been quite rewarding IMO - better than most of their major label records in the 90s.
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Postby Darkness_Fish » 19 May 2017, 20:35

I always considered Superfuzz Bigmuff as being all I never needed to hear from the grunge scene. I didn't even like half of that, but it was better than the rest, and the rest didn't do an awful lot more with the sound.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 May 2017, 21:10

Matt Wilson wrote:I dunno John, I've got 'em all and only play Badmotorfinger and Superunknown any more.


I don't like Superunknown at all. The only songs I really liked off that were My Wave and Spoonman.
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Postby sneelock » 19 May 2017, 22:51

Screaming life!
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Postby clive gash » 19 May 2017, 23:05

I saw the Superfuzz Bigmuff/Daydream Nation tour and, even as they were blasting through Hate the Police, you could tell this was as good as Mudhoney would get.

At the same venue a year or so later Nirvana bored the tits off me with the result that I didn't bother buying the White vinyl version of Bleach (currently going for about a grand). Damn.

I've not heard the Soundgarden (is Flower after this?) but they put out some fine singles after.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 May 2017, 23:52

sneelock wrote:Screaming life!
"Little Joe" rocks! They wanted to be Zeppelin more than they could play they're instruments. Force of will, man. It's in the grooves.


Maybe I'll give it another shot. Seemed a comedown after Badmotorfinger.
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Re: Rank the Big 3 Sub Pop Grunge debuts

Postby Still Baron » 20 May 2017, 00:04

sloopjohnc wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:I dunno John, I've got 'em all and only play Badmotorfinger and Superunknown any more.


I don't like Superunknown at all. The only songs I really liked off that were My Wave and Spoonman.


That's really surprising. As I said on FB, my heart always tells me Badmotorfinger, but I put it on in the car yesterday and it sounded like shit. I put in Superunknown today and was (sorta) blown away. It's a quantum leap in sound and chops. Which makes me sad, because I want to stand up for burly, B.O. Soundgarden.
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Re: Rank the Big 3 Sub Pop Grunge debuts

Postby fange » 20 May 2017, 01:54

sloopjohnc wrote:I don't like Superunknown at all. The only songs I really liked off that were My Wave and Spoonman.


I find this very hard to understand too, Sloop. Superunknown is the sound of a very promising rock band achieving full lift-off in every way - a big clutch of excellent songs, played well, beautifully produced for the time, with added touches of pop and psychedelia in the hard rock mix. For me it's a high-water mark of the period. Before that all their records are inconsistent in various ways.
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