Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

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Leeds
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Isle of Wight
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Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby C » 15 Apr 2017, 11:38

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Leeds is the best

How do the other two fair...?










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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Diamond Dog » 15 Apr 2017, 11:41

If "Hull" had been released first, it would be considered the classic. They are two peas in a pod, equally superb. IOW is slightly less wonderful but still prime time Who.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby C » 15 Apr 2017, 11:42

Diamond Dog wrote:If "Hull" had been released first, it would be considered the classic. They are two peas in a pod, equally superb. IOW is slightly less wonderful but still prime time Who.


Agreed Pete - do you think that Leeds and Hull both warranted release - they are very similar

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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Diamond Dog » 15 Apr 2017, 11:48

I'd much rather Hull was released rather than yet another Leeds re-package.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Goat Boy » 15 Apr 2017, 12:21

I'm not keen on the Hull mix. I think the performances are of a similar level but I'm so familiar with Leeds I would always pick it. I do have a very special memory of listening to My generation from Hull on the Bullet train in Japan though.

Isle of White has some great moments - it is peak period after all - but I think it's a lesser performance overall. keith isn't quite on it.

The Young Man Blues is one of my favourite thing ever mind. Townshend is magnificent here

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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby soundchaser » 15 Apr 2017, 12:57

If there was no Leeds, then I.O.W. would be a great addition. But it isn't, and comes in a poor second.

I now have the single disc, expanded edition of Leeds, and the sound quality, is just exceptional.

The original vinyl, with all the flyers, etc, was a lot of fun.

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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Diamond Dog » 15 Apr 2017, 13:08

soundchaser wrote:If there was no Leeds, then I.O.W. would be a great addition. But it isn't, and comes in a poor second.

I now have the single disc, expanded edition of Leeds, and the sound quality, is just exceptional.

The original vinyl, with all the flyers, etc, was a lot of fun.


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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby pcqgod » 16 Apr 2017, 16:02

Some days I might pick 'Isle of Wight' over 'Leeds.'
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 18 Apr 2017, 19:18

Leeds is really the one isn't it? The recording quality, the mix, and the performances are all a cut above.

Back when I had only crappy audience recordings on cassette of live Who, Isle of Wight 70 was one of my favorites. They're pretty loose and improvisational for it being a giant festival show. Hearing it in primo quality it's obvious they are a little bit tired or wasted, not playing that tight but trying to compensate with bursts of energy. It almost seems they are trying to wake themselves up after waiting til 4am or whatever to go on.

If we're talking the live Tommy performance, I think Hull is about the best I've ever heard. Keith is REALLY on for that one. And it's the most drum-forward mix of a live Who show I've ever heard. Even I have to say, it's a little much!

I have five discs worth of the American shows they recorded in the fall of 1969. As I parse through them it's interesting. There are some furious performances but they almost all have little mistakes in them, like, just enough to be annoying if you were going to put it on an album. (Sometimes big mistakes, like Daltrey and Entwistle singing different verses of "Summertime Blues".) I think Pete was trying to remove the "red light effect" of making a live album - you record everything all the time and forget that the machine is running. As a result he left himself a huge job of listening to all these shows and having to pick the best version of one song or another. And he just gave up, threw them on the fire and said, let's tape our next two gigs with a real Mobile reording truck, and just live with it. And it turns out to be absolutely the right thing to do.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Bent Fabric » 18 Apr 2017, 19:30

To Goat Boy and bobzilla's points - IOW has always struck me as the band at half mast (certainly when compared to the other two performances here). I think if I had gone into it never having heard Leeds, I would assuredly love it a great deal more.

Those of us who have put in any real amount of time playing with the same people onstage can undoubtedly relate to the fact that while the wind is fully blowing your sails on some nights, there will be other performances where you may summon very little consistent power or magic.

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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 19 Apr 2017, 23:15

Yeah when the Who were bad, they were just atrocious!

Off beat, wrong notes, muffed lyrics, just the worst train wreck imaginable. There are some recordings where I know they can't hear each other on stage, and they just kind of panic. Sometimes they get real tiny and wimpy until they find their way again. Or Entwistle will get one beat ahead of the guitar, and stay there for 3 minutes, and Keith isn't sure who to follow. They fell off the high wire some nights. But not every night.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 19 Apr 2017, 23:20

Re those 69 soundboard tapes from the US tour...

http://profstoned.blogspot.com/2016/10/ ... s-vol.html

Highly recommended. I've had the "1969 Acetate" for years, and this remaster is a big improvement, removes most of the scratchy vinyl noise and makes it more listenable all around.

There is also a "highlights" edit that has a good running order & the editor's picks for best performances from the set.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Bent Fabric » 19 Apr 2017, 23:47

bobzilla77 wrote:Re those 69 soundboard tapes from the US tour...


THANKS for this!

Re: the tightrope - that's a really good way of putting it. The cognitive dissonance between a person gracefully working the tightrope and a person who has fallen to their death is pretty massive. It is odd to hear any of the best bands on Earth in pure trainwreck mode, partially because they sound so shockingly inept (especially in contrast to their most transcendent and Godlike moments).

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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 20 Apr 2017, 00:33

Yep, and all it takes is a crap monitor mix for every bit of brilliance to get flushed down the toilet.

I've certainly done shows where from the first note of the first song, I knew we were gonna be lucky to get through it in one piece. Can't hear shit, have to count on the muscle memory to kick in and play the notes in sequence. But the Who were so all over the place, they didn't even have that option. How do you play rote behind ANY of those guys?

There are particularly notable "deviations" on the 1969 acetate disc takes of Heaven & Hell and Summertime Blues - ENJOY!
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 20 Apr 2017, 00:45

One performance we haven't discussed here yet, is the Ottawa 1969 Tommy set that was released as part of the Tommy super deluxe box a few years ago. I downloaded just the Ottawa portion off Itunes when it was released.

It is one of those "69 soundboards" in the post above, BUT the bootleg-circulated version of the show is missing most of the Tommy portion. The box set version contains the entire Tommy set except the last three songs I'm Free, Tommy's Holiday Camp, We're Not Gonna Take It. Instead, they use versions of those songs from a 1976 Swansea show, which IMO totally fucks up the continuity as the band sound totally different 7 years later in a stadium.

Even weirder, the bootleg version of Ottawa DOES include Tommy's Holiday Camp and We're Not Gonna Take It! Is it possible the Who no longer have the portion of the tape that was bootlegged? We'd heard those tapes were burned in a bonfire and until they started surfacing around 1999, it was believed to be true.

Anyway how does Ottawa compare to the others? The performance is very strong, but the recording quality is not quite as detailed as the other shows that have been released. That's not all bad - the guitar is really up front, raw and distorted, although the drums lose some clarity. But if three official recordings of their 1969-70 set are not enough for you, by all means - come to Ottawa baby!
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby bobzilla77 » 20 Apr 2017, 00:57

More thoughts on the "high wire" aspect of their show...

I have soundboards from two different shows from the end of the Quadrophenia tour, one from Philadelphia and one from DC. The Philadelphia show is incredible, possibly the best I've ever heard from them. They're just totally on top of it, taking a lot of liberties with the jams and following each other telepathically.

The one from DC two nights later is kind of a mess. It's not a train wreck, just hesitant. But you can feel it immediately. There are several occasions where Pete and Roger have to yell at the audience to stop crushing people down at the front, and it seems to throw them right off their game. Nothing works as well as it had in Philly. It's obvious they are really distracted by the violence happening in front of them, and they don't really take flight until the very end of the show when presumably the audience had calmed down a bit.

It's gotta be kind of scary to realize, "If I really rock as hard as I can, the crowd is going to go crazy, and they're already hurting each other."
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 08:52

I know it's an obvious comparison but Led Zeppelin were exactly the same re tightrope - it's a phrase i've used with them many times. It happens I suppose when you are trying to push yourself to new places - and a healthy dose of chemical additives plays its part too. One of the worst recorded Bonzo shows is 20th June 1975 in San Diego - incredibly for a guy who was (generally) pretty much on it every night, he is all over the place. Regularly sitting inbetween beats, sometimes missing cues, others jumping in front of them. Horrid show. The very next night they played LA - and gave us the legendary "Listen To This Eddie" show, where - from the very first minute of the opener "The Song Remains The Same" Bonzo absolutely kills it. And continues to kill it every moment throughout the near four hour set.The difference between the two nights is extraordinary - but it's not unusual throughout their career. Jimmy was hugely inconsistent too.

I guess to really reach the heights these two bands did - and keep it fresh and challenging- you have to be prepared to sometimes plumb the depths.

* by the way - no mention of "Tanglewood" from 1970 for The Who?
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Goat Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 09:38

If you want consistency
bobzilla77 wrote:One performance we haven't discussed here yet, is the Ottawa 1969 Tommy set that was released as part of the Tommy super deluxe box a few years ago. I downloaded just the Ottawa portion off Itunes when it was released.

It is one of those "69 soundboards" in the post above, BUT the bootleg-circulated version of the show is missing most of the Tommy portion. The box set version contains the entire Tommy set except the last three songs I'm Free, Tommy's Holiday Camp, We're Not Gonna Take It. Instead, they use versions of those songs from a 1976 Swansea show, which IMO totally fucks up the continuity as the band sound totally different 7 years later in a stadium.

Even weirder, the bootleg version of Ottawa DOES include Tommy's Holiday Camp and We're Not Gonna Take It! Is it possible the Who no longer have the portion of the tape that was bootlegged? We'd heard those tapes were burned in a bonfire and until they started surfacing around 1999, it was believed to be true.

Anyway how does Ottawa compare to the others? The performance is very strong, but the recording quality is not quite as detailed as the other shows that have been released. That's not all bad - the guitar is really up front, raw and distorted, although the drums lose some clarity. But if three official recordings of their 1969-70 set are not enough for you, by all means - come to Ottawa baby!


Ottawa is aweshome.

Cheers for the heads up re: the 69 soundboard tapes. I'll download that and have a listen later.

The 69 acetates boot is stellar. The version of Young Man Blues beginning around 49minutes is my personal fave.

I would kill for some kind of live box set from that period.
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Goat Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 09:40

bobzilla77 wrote:More thoughts on the "high wire" aspect of their show...

I have soundboards from two different shows from the end of the Quadrophenia tour, one from Philadelphia and one from DC. The Philadelphia show is incredible, possibly the best I've ever heard from them. They're just totally on top of it, taking a lot of liberties with the jams and following each other telepathically.



Is Phily the show with that incredible version of Drowned? Tales From The Who boot I think
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Re: Leeds v Hull v Isle Of Wight

Postby Goat Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 19:30

Did anybody else get asked for a password when trying to extract the files?

I've downloaded them and using Winrar to extract
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