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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 16 Mar 2017, 14:34

OH wrote:I'm similar to Goat Boy, but I'd like to ask you all a question that I think is related: how often do people ask you about music anyway? It might be because I live abroad and I'm usually around students or expats who I like but rarely have much in common with, but nobody ever asks what I'm in to. It's just something that doesn't seem to come up.



They've hired a new kid at my local, who I haven't met yet, but the owner was telling me about him - a 20 year old student, who's really in to Zeppelin and other boring old shit, and has only been to one concert so far in his life: Drake. Apparently this kid asked Janusz (the owner), who is in his mid-50's, who his 'favourite band' was. Does anyone after a certain age still have a favourite band? Janusz couldn't answer, because like most of us his tastes are broad and varied and he finds it practically impossible to pin down one band as his 'favourite'. Anyway, this is just a long-winded way of saying that once I actually meet this kid, he's going to provide a lot of fodder for threads like this.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Muskrat » 16 Mar 2017, 17:48

joels344 wrote:I avoid music discussions in everyday life. This will sound snobby, but I find it difficult to talk music with causal fans. They'll be talking about favorite Beatles albums or the Imagine Dragons album that I have zero interest in. Most discussions end with them having no idea who I'm talking about or acting like I'm insane for liking such 'obscure artists that nobody likes or knows about." Which is why I save music conversations for this forum, RYM, and the What'sApp.


Similar thing drives me nuts (though it's nobody's fault) when -- on Facebook, for instance -- there's a nice music going on. Sometimes, FB discussions can get pretty obscure. and (for instance) somebody mentions The Lovin' Spoonfu -- maybe in a conversation on acts influenced by Henry Thomas.. Next person chimes in with "Oh, 'Do You Believe in Magic'!" All I can do to kep from replying "No, another Lovin' Spoonful."
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Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 16 Mar 2017, 18:19

Snarfyguy wrote:What the fuck kind of name is "Ed Sheeran" for a pop star?


I was wondering too.

'Ed Sheeran' sounds like the name of a trucking company, that ships pop groups' stage equipment through a whole continent, but like a pop star at all.

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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

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OH wrote:I'm similar to Goat Boy, but I'd like to ask you all a question that I think is related: how often do people ask you about music anyway? It might be because I live abroad and I'm usually around students or expats who I like but rarely have much in common with, but nobody ever asks what I'm in to. It's just something that doesn't seem to come up.



They've hired a new kid at my local, who I haven't met yet, but the owner was telling me about him - a 20 year old student, who's really in to Zeppelin and other boring old shit, and has only been to one concert so far in his life: Drake. Apparently this kid asked Janusz (the owner), who is in his mid-50's, who his 'favourite band' was. Does anyone after a certain age still have a favourite band? Janusz couldn't answer, because like most of us his tastes are broad and varied and he finds it practically impossible to pin down one band as his 'favourite'. Anyway, this is just a long-winded way of saying that once I actually meet this kid, he's going to provide a lot of fodder for threads like this.


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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Velvis » 16 Mar 2017, 19:11

When I was young I felt my opinions about music were like Newtonian Laws. Now my attitude is: I like what I like; you like what you like. Big deal. It's subjective.

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Postby ^^^^^ great post. Thank you. » 16 Mar 2017, 19:53

Goat Boy wrote:I am always honest and forthright but depending on the audience I will adjust my ire. It's a funny thing because generally people don't have the same kind of passion about this stuff so you do sometimes find yourself ranting like a madman. From the other side it must look weird but what you gonna do? It means something, you know?

I remember a mate declaring that The Bends by Radiohead had to be one of the greatest albums ever made to which I replied "bollocks!" and just to prove how much bollocks it was I said "I can name 100 better albums". So I did. Like I actually got a pen and paper and started listing albums furiously. I was only 18. I've matured...a bit.


I share this sentiment to an extent. I don't seem capable of having a non-passionate discussion about music. If it's around people who I know well and who I have an idea about their musical tastes, then I can keep it on the lowdown in terms of waiting for other people to talk, sharing ideas and so forth. If a "casual" music fan or someone who doesn't know I'm obsessed with music asks me what I am into, it can all go downhill very fast depending on how receptive they are. It's like being on speed. I can talk shit for as long as you like and I have no off switch.

My guitar classes have been a constant source of magnifying the cultural divide. There are lots of teachers and as it's Texas, there's a fair old Americana /country / american rock focus of the classes. When we have classes, and I mention an artist, or a song, the likelihood is - nobody else in the group has heard that song, or maybe even that artist, ever. Or maybe they will have heard of the artist - so then I will start talking about the artist's songs - and nobody will have heard any of the songs I talk about. And, I'm not (honestly) trying to be overly clever or know it all - I am talking about music because I'm in a music class and music is what I know. On the occasions where I have played a song I like to the group on my phone they have always, always looked part astonished and part delighted at what they hear. However, every single song that they bring to play - without exception, I am afraid - I either hate, or leave me totally unmoved. And I come home to Baron and say, "I just didn't grow up with this, I feel awful and I can't feign an interest." I will tell him what the song was, and he'll say well God, you shouldn't like that, it's terrible, or run of the mill, or something. So it isn't just me that feels that. The best thing I can ever say to the songs that other people bring is "well - it began and it ended."

Moreover, I don't care. I can't say I love a song that someone else likes if I don't, the same way I won't dance to songs I dislike. I don't have it in me.
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Postby yomptepi » 16 Mar 2017, 19:59

I'll say anything about anyone if it starts a fight.
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Postby John aka Josh » 16 Mar 2017, 20:52

yomptepi wrote:I'll say anything about anyone if it starts a fight.



Not what I've heard.



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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby THE FILING FEE » 16 Mar 2017, 21:19

Minnie the Minx wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:I am always honest and forthright but depending on the audience I will adjust my ire. It's a funny thing because generally people don't have the same kind of passion about this stuff so you do sometimes find yourself ranting like a madman. From the other side it must look weird but what you gonna do? It means something, you know?

I remember a mate declaring that The Bends by Radiohead had to be one of the greatest albums ever made to which I replied "bollocks!" and just to prove how much bollocks it was I said "I can name 100 better albums". So I did. Like I actually got a pen and paper and started listing albums furiously. I was only 18. I've matured...a bit.


I share this sentiment to an extent. I don't seem capable of having a non-passionate discussion about music. If it's around people who I know well and who I have an idea about their musical tastes, then I can keep it on the lowdown in terms of waiting for other people to talk, sharing ideas and so forth. If a "casual" music fan or someone who doesn't know I'm obsessed with music asks me what I am into, it can all go downhill very fast depending on how receptive they are. It's like being on speed. I can talk shit for as long as you like and I have no off switch.

My guitar classes have been a constant source of magnifying the cultural divide. There are lots of teachers and as it's Texas, there's a fair old Americana /country / american rock focus of the classes. When we have classes, and I mention an artist, or a song, the likelihood is - nobody else in the group has heard that song, or maybe even that artist, ever. Or maybe they will have heard of the artist - so then I will start talking about the artist's songs - and nobody will have heard any of the songs I talk about. And, I'm not (honestly) trying to be overly clever or know it all - I am talking about music because I'm in a music class and music is what I know. On the occasions where I have played a song I like to the group on my phone they have always, always looked part astonished and part delighted at what they hear. However, every single song that they bring to play - without exception, I am afraid - I either hate, or leave me totally unmoved. And I come home to Baron and say, "I just didn't grow up with this, I feel awful and I can't feign an interest." I will tell him what the song was, and he'll say well God, you shouldn't like that, it's terrible, or run of the mill, or something. So it isn't just me that feels that. The best thing I can ever say to the songs that other people bring is "well - it began and it ended."

Moreover, I don't care. I can't say I love a song that someone else likes if I don't, the same way I won't dance to songs I dislike. I don't have it in me.


I haven't had that kind of experience exactly, but can relate to those feelings very much.

I really get fed up with it. I think it's what you get when you live abroad, unfortunately. I mean, not in every case - but it's fairly typical.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Still Baron » 16 Mar 2017, 21:21

I agree with JC, the topic doesn't really come up, and I'm not really interested in discussing it with people unless they're genuinely interested in something, which they aren't. So I would probably aim to be mostly amiable without lying through my teeth.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby THE FILING FEE » 16 Mar 2017, 21:24

Do people ask 'what are you reading?' more often, then? I think so.

Is music seen as a 'private' thing?
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Postby ^^^^^ great post. Thank you. » 16 Mar 2017, 21:28

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Goat Boy wrote:I am always honest and forthright but depending on the audience I will adjust my ire. It's a funny thing because generally people don't have the same kind of passion about this stuff so you do sometimes find yourself ranting like a madman. From the other side it must look weird but what you gonna do? It means something, you know?

I remember a mate declaring that The Bends by Radiohead had to be one of the greatest albums ever made to which I replied "bollocks!" and just to prove how much bollocks it was I said "I can name 100 better albums". So I did. Like I actually got a pen and paper and started listing albums furiously. I was only 18. I've matured...a bit.


I share this sentiment to an extent. I don't seem capable of having a non-passionate discussion about music. If it's around people who I know well and who I have an idea about their musical tastes, then I can keep it on the lowdown in terms of waiting for other people to talk, sharing ideas and so forth. If a "casual" music fan or someone who doesn't know I'm obsessed with music asks me what I am into, it can all go downhill very fast depending on how receptive they are. It's like being on speed. I can talk shit for as long as you like and I have no off switch.

My guitar classes have been a constant source of magnifying the cultural divide. There are lots of teachers and as it's Texas, there's a fair old Americana /country / american rock focus of the classes. When we have classes, and I mention an artist, or a song, the likelihood is - nobody else in the group has heard that song, or maybe even that artist, ever. Or maybe they will have heard of the artist - so then I will start talking about the artist's songs - and nobody will have heard any of the songs I talk about. And, I'm not (honestly) trying to be overly clever or know it all - I am talking about music because I'm in a music class and music is what I know. On the occasions where I have played a song I like to the group on my phone they have always, always looked part astonished and part delighted at what they hear. However, every single song that they bring to play - without exception, I am afraid - I either hate, or leave me totally unmoved. And I come home to Baron and say, "I just didn't grow up with this, I feel awful and I can't feign an interest." I will tell him what the song was, and he'll say well God, you shouldn't like that, it's terrible, or run of the mill, or something. So it isn't just me that feels that. The best thing I can ever say to the songs that other people bring is "well - it began and it ended."

Moreover, I don't care. I can't say I love a song that someone else likes if I don't, the same way I won't dance to songs I dislike. I don't have it in me.


I haven't had that kind of experience exactly, but can relate to those feelings very much.

I really get fed up with it. I think it's what you get when you live abroad, unfortunately. I mean, not in every case - but it's fairly typical.


Especially when you realise that there is no way that you can translate the music of your past ( and and therefore your listening present) to anyone who didn't grow up in the same place.
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Postby K » 16 Mar 2017, 21:31

Ranking Ted wrote:I find not saying anything at all is best. If pushed, I just say ""I've never really heard him/her/them" which is genuinely the case with a lot of the big acts these days. I'd rather they just think I'm out of touch with Ed S or the 1975 or Chainsmokers or whatever. However, it gets more difficult when folk find out you're into music and the bang on about seeing the Levellers in a pub years ago or getting front row tickets to Muse or Stereophonics. Then I just need to say they're not my bag. I only know 2 people I can have an honest and informed conversation about music with.

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Minnie the Minx wrote:
OH wrote:I haven't had that kind of experience exactly, but can relate to those feelings very much.

I really get fed up with it. I think it's what you get when you live abroad, unfortunately. I mean, not in every case - but it's fairly typical.


Especially when you realise that there is no way that you can translate the music of your past ( and and therefore your listening present) to anyone who didn't grow up in the same place.


Yes. There are cultural connections that are quite often geographical too. Age plays its part too, of course.

'Dead-end street' came up today in class - the students knew the phrase (but didn't know 'cul de sac'). So of course I had to mention The Kinks, and of course they hadn't heard of them, so I swallowed the urge to call them all idiots and then on we went with the lesson.
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Postby joels344 » 16 Mar 2017, 21:39

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joels344 wrote:I avoid music discussions in everyday life. This will sound snobby, but I find it difficult to talk music with causal fans. They'll be talking about favorite Beatles albums or the Imagine Dragons album that I have zero interest in. Most discussions end with them having no idea who I'm talking about or acting like I'm insane for liking such 'obscure artists that nobody likes or knows about." Which is why I save music conversations for this forum, RYM, and the What'sApp.


Similar thing drives me nuts (though it's nobody's fault) when -- on Facebook, for instance -- there's a nice music going on. Sometimes, FB discussions can get pretty obscure. and (for instance) somebody mentions The Lovin' Spoonfu -- many in a conversation on acts influenced by Henry Thomas.. Next person chimes in with "Oh, 'Do You Believe i Magic'!" All I can do to kep from replying "No, another Lovin' Spoonful."


Yeah, it's like they ruin the conservation by mentioning an obvious band or song that has nothing to do with the intention of the original post.

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Postby The Red Heifer » 16 Mar 2017, 21:49

I avoid them, and usually because I'm the one that cops the ribbing. Working in a predominantly blue collar environment music tastes are incredibly rigid, Oz rock and heavy stuff or hip hop amongst the younger crowd so any variation tends to cop a bit of stick. I remember when I had to take a coworker to a job and he saw my cd collection in my car and gave it to me for having a Sinead O'Connor album amongst it, calling it "girls music" :lol:
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Postby zoomboogity » 16 Mar 2017, 22:11

K wrote:Years ago I tried to engage someone at work with a conversation about music. Over lunch, I just said, "I've just got the new David Bowie album [Reality] and it's good. It's great that he's still releasing quality stuff."(Or words to that effect)
I was met with he reply, "The new Sting album is really good too."
Fuck this conversation.


The trick is learning how to say, "If Steve is mastering it, I'm buying it" in any language. :D

I'm haven't been subjected to co-workers' taste in music (which is probably just background noise for them anyway) in almost 30 years. My neighbors don't play music loudly. I just hear what I want. On the rare occasions I do hear something else, like in the store, I can tune it out long enough, or maybe even enjoy it for what it's worth. Speaking of Eye Of The Tiger, I actually got that one the other day in the supermarket, but I just paid attention to my shopping, and it was over soon enough. If someone is doing the driving, I always defer - whatever helps them keep their cool is fine by me. 40 hours per week at work used to be a real challenge, though: "If you make me listen to Stars of 45, I get equal time. Deal? Right - here's an Art Bears cd, see how YOU like it now!" I assume people listen to their stuff on earbuds now, the era of cranking a radio in an office setting is probably long gone.

People's tastes seem more of a mishmash these days, and maybe I've mellowed out on it too, but when someone puts something on while I'll there, I just say, "Thanks for that," which covers all the bases. In one sense, music doesn't carry the same weight in popular culture it once did, but conversely, people seem more open to things, especially if it's just a few minutes. Random play seems to have opened people up to lots of new possibilities. What once seemed like torture for an entire album seems more tolerable in four-minute chunks.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby algroth » 16 Mar 2017, 22:29

Depends on the person, but I'm usually pretty honest if also pretty diplomatic. I'll rarely say something I dislike is "alright", but I will say it's perhaps "not my thing", assuming I'm talking to someone who doesn't share my enthusiasm in music. If that someone does, usually I'll be a bit more open and might even lend myself to the occasional hyperbole or punchline or other. If a conversation also merits it: say, someone is talking about how they hate something or another, I might join in more vociferously, either in agreement or disagreement. As a teenager I used to be a lot more combative about it but I've mellowed down over time, above all else for two reasons: first, you have to learn to choose your battles and understand not everyone cares about music the way we do, or wants to talk about music to that degree; and second, you are kinda hurting your chances to actually introduce the other to new and "better" things, as they'll be more inclined to listen with a jaded perspective (say, looking for the flaw to prove you wrong), or ignore your recommendation outright. If my intention when discussing music is to share and learn about new things - and it usually is - then tempering my opinions somewhat helps that objective.

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Postby The Write Profile » 17 Mar 2017, 01:25

It's a tricky one, isn't it? With a lot of people I tend to throw the question back at them ('what are your favourite acts', etc) and see where it goes from there. But there will be differences, obviously if you meet someone at a music festival, for instance, you can be pretty sure they're into their music, otherwise they wouldn't've shelled out their money. However, a random conversation with someone while waiting for the bus or whatever might not be so fruitful. I tend to talk about what I like, and fortunately I like enough stuff that there's bound to be some overlap if they're genuinely interested.
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