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How honest are you when talking music...

Postby fange » 15 Mar 2017, 14:29

..with the people around you in your everyday life?

Do you smile and nod and say "Oh yeah, it's nice" when your colleague, relative or friend plays you Ed Sheeren's latest single, for example, or if you think it stinks, do you follow the policy of truth and tell them "Well, i think it's actually pretty bad."

What things do you take into consideration when deciding how honsst to be?

Any funny or embarrassing stories about times you have or haven't been honest musically?
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Postby Goat Boy » 15 Mar 2017, 14:35

I am always honest and forthright but depending on the audience I will adjust my ire. It's a funny thing because generally people don't have the same kind of passion about this stuff so you do sometimes find yourself ranting like a madman. From the other side it must look weird but what you gonna do? It means something, you know?

I remember a mate declaring that The Bends by Radiohead had to be one of the greatest albums ever made to which I replied "bollocks!" and just to prove how much bollocks it was I said "I can name 100 better albums". So I did. Like I actually got a pen and paper and started listing albums furiously. I was only 18. I've matured...a bit.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby PresMuffley » 15 Mar 2017, 14:38

I mostly try to avoid human contact, not because I don't like people, but just because they tend to bore me. My closest friend is a double bassist who loves Joni Mitchell and a lot of modern jazz. I don't care for either. He knows this. Why would I not be honest? Seems a bit pointless to have a relationship with someone if you have to tiptoe around something as trivial as personal taste in music.
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Postby Charlie O. » 15 Mar 2017, 14:52

I work in a record store and have learned that it's generally best to keep my mouth shut when someone is buying or asking about something I hate, unless they really press the issue (which some insist on doing, for some reason). It isn't just that it's not a good idea to offend customers (or hurt their feelings) - it's that the arguments can be almost as irritating and frustrating as actually listening to their crap music.

Among friends I tend to be more forthcoming, but try to not be a blowhard.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby martha » 15 Mar 2017, 14:53

I'm the same level of honest I am about politics and abortion, which is to say, I don't compromise my position on things, but I don't verbally castigate anyone for holding different views on things unless I find their views to be utterly repugnant.
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Postby Goat Boy » 15 Mar 2017, 14:57

martha wrote:I'm the same level of honest I am about politics and abortion, which is to say, I don't compromise my position on things, but I don't verbally castigate anyone for holding different views on things unless I find their views to be utterly repugnant.


Like being an Ed Sheeran fan?
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Postby martha » 15 Mar 2017, 15:01

I have never heard Sheeran. That stuff flies past my radar easily because I don't have any live TV and I don't listen to anything I don't seek out musically. Top 40 isn't something that penetrates my world. probably Veronica has heard him at the shitty junior high dances she goes to, but that would be the closest level of exposure I have to him.

Musically, there's not much I take issue with in others. de gustabus and all that. I don't like certain acts,but for the most part I can tolerate them all in small doses.

I do have a zero tolerance policy for Air Supply's Making Love out of Nothing At All which for some reason makes me feel nauseated and skin crawly and I've a longstanding ban on playing Mick Hucknall, Elton John and Phil Collins in my house, but that is just common decency....

Otherwise I'm pretty relaxed unless someone starts professing mad love for neo-nazi punk bands or songs that have misogynist, racist and/or homophobic/transphobic lyrics. I'm pretty chill about people's tastes in things.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 15 Mar 2017, 15:45

Goat Boy wrote:I am always honest and forthright but depending on the audience I will adjust my ire. It's a funny thing because generally people don't have the same kind of passion about this stuff so you do sometimes find yourself ranting like a madman. From the other side it must look weird but what you gonna do? It means something, you know?

I remember a mate declaring that The Bends by Radiohead had to be one of the greatest albums ever made to which I replied "bollocks!" and just to prove how much bollocks it was I said "I can name 100 better albums". So I did. Like I actually got a pen and paper and started listing albums furiously. I was only 18. I've matured...a bit.


I've just had this happen to me a few times lately with women even though I warn them, "I don't know if you want to go there."

It usually starts wit feigned interest, then a disengaged, faraway glazed look that becomes darting eyes looking to strangers with a trapped, desperate yearning that silently screams, "Someone save me, please."

And I thought it was an interesting topic on how the Ramones chose their name.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Darkness_Fish » 15 Mar 2017, 20:58

I'd really just rather not have conversations about music these days, it rarely ends well. I mean, if it comes to chart/radio friendly music, I'll offer my opinion in that context, and rarely point out that it's utter shit, unless it's utter shit even in that cack context. Lukas Graham's abysmally trite "7 Years" for instance, or Rihanna's plain abysmal repetition-fest "Work". Having a son means I'm subjected to this stuff daily. The conversations I try and avoid more, are the "oh, so what do you listen to then?", which I've yet to work out a satisfactory answer for, or even worse, someone who says "I like a little bit of everything", and can't think of a single black metal or free-jazz artist. You just can't have those conversations without sounding like a twat. Or perhaps I am just a twat.
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Postby Minnie the Minx » 15 Mar 2017, 21:11

Oh, I'm definitely a twat. I'm comfortable with that though.
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Postby Dog Pickle 'BEAUT' » 15 Mar 2017, 21:16

I'm similar to Goat Boy, but I'd like to ask you all a question that I think is related: how often do people ask you about music anyway? It might be because I live abroad and I'm usually around students or expats who I like but rarely have much in common with, but nobody ever asks what I'm in to. It's just something that doesn't seem to come up.

I always walk into work or where I'm studying with my headphones on (or I'm just taking them off) and NOT ONCE has anyone asked me 'what are you listening to?'. Really, not once. And I always ask others that same question. It puzzles me and it annoys me sometimes. Maybe they just don't want to be bored by the answer :)
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Snarfyguy » 15 Mar 2017, 21:28

What the fuck kind of name is "Ed Sheeran" for a pop star?
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Ranking Ted » 15 Mar 2017, 22:53

I find not saying anything at all is best. If pushed, I just say ""I've never really heard him/her/them" which is genuinely the case with a lot of the big acts these days. I'd rather they just think I'm out of touch with Ed S or the 1975 or Chainsmokers or whatever. However, it gets more difficult when folk find out you're into music and the bang on about seeing the Levellers in a pub years ago or getting front row tickets to Muse or Stereophonics. Then I just need to say they're not my bag. I only know 2 people I can have an honest and informed conversation about music with.

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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Jimbo » 15 Mar 2017, 23:26

My brother in law for some reason loves house music. Thump thump thump. He plays no other type. It's pathological. My brother in law also always has the best weed. Once I told him that I couldn't stand his taste in music. Now he plays it louder. He's still generous with his weed.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby fange » 16 Mar 2017, 00:06

OH wrote:I'm similar to Goat Boy, but I'd like to ask you all a question that I think is related: how often do people ask you about music anyway? It might be because I live abroad and I'm usually around students or expats who I like but rarely have much in common with, but nobody ever asks what I'm in to. It's just something that doesn't seem to come up.

I always walk into work or where I'm studying with my headphones on (or I'm just taking them off) and NOT ONCE has anyone asked me 'what are you listening to?'. Really, not once. And I always ask others that same question. It puzzles me and it annoys me sometimes. Maybe they just don't want to be bored by the answer :)


When i arrive at school i often get asked by students what i'm listening to on my earphones! Almost every day. Sorry, JC :) They would have no idea of the artists generally, so i'll just say "some rock music" or something like that. Occasionally they ask to listen to one of the earbuds themselves, but only the braver ones do that.


I don't get asked about music that often in general, but the original post was prompted by something that happened to me the other week that popped into my mind again. I had gone over to speak to another English teacher about something at her desk, and saw that she was listening to a Youtube clip of Extreme's "More Than Words" on her computer.

As i'd noticed the song on the screen, she asked me with a smile "Oh, do you know this song?" You know that scene from some of the Warner Bros. cartoons, where the character suddenly has the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other? Well, that me - do i say "Oh yes, and i REALLY don't like that song!", or do I something nice or at least non-committal. The smile of her face swayed me though, so i went non-committal and just said something like "Yes, it's a very famous song, and it was a big hit in Australia too." Turns out that was a smart move, because she then went on to say "Oh, i really love it. I am using it in my wedding next month!" I'm not sure how she would have taken it if i'd been honest, just turned up my lip and said "Oh i hate it, it's horrible."
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby PresMuffley » 16 Mar 2017, 00:10

Jimbo wrote:My brother in law for some reason loves house music. Thump thump thump. He plays no other type. It's pathological. My brother in law also always has the best weed. Once I told him that I couldn't stand his taste in music. Now he plays it louder. He's still generous with his weed.


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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Hightea » 16 Mar 2017, 01:57

ha we talk music with just about anyone. Try to find something they like and talk then artist up someway. I've hung around musicians and artist most of my life so music is a common bond. Since 2000 when we was introduced to a lot of music industry people we talked music all the time. Differences are fine but you do get the oh my your one of those guys. Although I like to think I influenced something from steering musicians to listen to other stuff to telling younger music writers they were listening to the wrong albums from the 50-70's.

The last couple of years I tend to lead all conversations to music (ok not all). was in a tourist bar (don't ask why) and started talking to these guys from Australia before long we were talking Australian bands. I named more then them.

Yes you do get the people who listen to crap but then you just change the subject there is nothing to talk about musically but do try.

Ed Sheeran fans - sure I can tell them I saw him in VIP section a few years ago. hahaha

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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Muskrat » 16 Mar 2017, 05:15

Depends on whether I'm asked. If it's a friend's (or a friend's favorite) project, I may go with "hmmm...interesting." or "I see the appeal, but it's not really for me." Back when I was writing reviews, I'd try to find something worthwhile, but then be specific about what I find lacking ("all those slow songs in the same key can get a little boring."
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Mar 2017, 14:12

Depends on who I'm talking to and how close we are. If it's someone I trust to be able to handle the disagreement...I'll let it fly. With everyone else...I'll generally lie indiscriminately.
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Re: How honest are you when talking music...

Postby joels344 » 16 Mar 2017, 14:23

I avoid music discussions in everyday life. This will sound snobby, but I find it difficult to talk music with causal fans. They'll be talking about favorite Beatles albums or the Imagine Dragons album that I have zero interest in. Most discussions end with them having no idea who I'm talking about or acting like I'm insane for liking such 'obscure artists that nobody likes or knows about." Which is why I save music conversations for this forum, RYM, and the What'sApp.


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