Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

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Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Count Machuki » 08 Jul 2014, 19:41

whom do you prefer?



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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby gash on ignore » 08 Jul 2014, 20:04

Sly Stone equals Beefheart in the BCB sacred cow stakes.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby toomanyhatz » 08 Jul 2014, 20:17

clive gash wrote:Sly Stone equals Beefheart in the BCB sacred cow stakes.


Yes, but I can see how Beefheart can be off-putting. I don't understand not loving Sly, and that's the honest-to-god truth. One of the major musical acts of the last half-century.

Wish he'd had Zappa's attitude toward drugs, mind you- who knows what great stuff he might have done?
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby toomanyhatz » 08 Jul 2014, 20:21

I see Carlsson's aliases have already voted. :lol:
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Matt Wilson » 08 Jul 2014, 20:32

toomanyhatz wrote:I see Carlsson's aliases have already voted. :lol:


He's not the only Zappa fan around here though.

Sly was truly great for a few years there, and Stand! & There's a Riot Goin' On are classics. Fresh is pretty good too. After that it's a matter of songs, not LPs in my opinion.

Frank has probably a half dozen or so great albums, and dozens of great tracks which aren't necessarily on great LPs. So it's a matter of quantity here if you're a fan of both artists as I am.

Zappa, it is.

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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Jeemo » 08 Jul 2014, 20:38

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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby BOLLY BEE » 08 Jul 2014, 20:47

Zappa as a solo artist is supremely, stunningly bad. His whole catalogue is one crime against music after another - self-indulgent buffoonery that appeals only to the shallow and the tasteless.

No man should ever be allowed that much creative freedom - and funds - again.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Jul 2014, 20:47

Sly for fucks sake and I like Zappa but c'mon.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Quaco » 08 Jul 2014, 21:12

Doc Cool wrote:Zappa as a solo artist is supremely, stunningly bad. His whole catalogue is one crime against music after another - self-indulgent buffoonery that appeals only to the shallow and the tasteless.

No man should ever be allowed that much creative freedom - and funds - again.

The question of funds is probably what we should be thinking about Frank Zappa for. With not a lot of help from his label, he was able to get a lot of big projects done -- and done his way. He would make money on albums and touring, then sink it all into these things, like films, symphony orchestras, recording and film editing studios, and of course having the finest musicians on his payroll. Would that more people were inspired by this aspect of him.

His actual music is another thing, a very strong flavor, and where I can love one thing of his (generally in the early Mothers era), I can hate another just as much.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby BOLLY BEE » 08 Jul 2014, 21:19

Quacoan wrote:
Doc Cool wrote:Zappa as a solo artist is supremely, stunningly bad. His whole catalogue is one crime against music after another - self-indulgent buffoonery that appeals only to the shallow and the tasteless.

No man should ever be allowed that much creative freedom - and funds - again.

The question of funds is probably what we should be thinking about Frank Zappa for. With not a lot of help from his label, he was able to get a lot of big projects done -- and done his way. He would make money on albums and touring, then sink it all into these things, like films, symphony orchestras, recording and film editing studios, and of course having the finest musicians on his payroll. Would that more people were inspired by this aspect of him.


I see what you mean, but the way he took these huge talents and used them to make this - if I'm generous, let's call it unique - music....I don't see there's anything there to praise. It just looks like a waste.


you separated the music from the method but I can't do that!
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Count Machuki » 08 Jul 2014, 21:23

about Sly Stone, Quacoan may as well have wrote: He would make money on albums and touring, then sink it all into these things, like ...


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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby der nister » 08 Jul 2014, 23:24

I'm going with George Clinton
he's their non traditional birth love child
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Count Machuki » 09 Jul 2014, 00:04

zphage wrote:I'm going with George Clinton
he's their non traditional birth love child


the Mothership DOES have the technology.....!
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby sneelock » 09 Jul 2014, 00:22

I spend a lot more time and money on Zappa but I'm leaning towards Sly.

Sly and the Family Stone, in some small way, really did make the world seem like a better place.
I know it sounds corny but the visual impact of them alone, even not factoring in the songs was really quite bracing in those days. Also, some of those songs really do go to the best part of the listener. I'm a huge Zappa fan but Zappa (especially as he went along) didn't seem especially fond of his fellow human beings. Sly's best stuff has something like joy in it.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Count Machuki » 09 Jul 2014, 00:24

that's a sweet post, and I agree
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby LeBaron » 09 Jul 2014, 00:28

I prefer Sly Stone by some margin, thanks.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Jimbo » 09 Jul 2014, 02:45

Love Sly but if he or Frank Zappa fell from the boat I'd save Zappa.
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Jul 2014, 02:48

I'm afraid you're too late. Possibly for both of them.

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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby GoogaMooga » 09 Jul 2014, 10:37

with Zappa i like one, maybe two songs only, bobby brown, valley girl
i wonder why he didn't write more hits when he clearly had the ability and talent
but he preferred to be an ironic superstar and alienate the masses

sly stone, who doesn't like him? he crossed over to the rock market like nobody's business
people who aren't into soul always seem to have some affection for sly
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Re: Frank Zappa vs. Sly Stone

Postby Fonz » 09 Jul 2014, 10:50

Nothing against Sly, but Zappa's talent exceeds by some margin.
He made a lot of different music, with a lot of different lineups, over a longer period of time. Some of the material is stronger than others. Only a small amount doesn't appeal to me.
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